What's the Hullabaloo?

[_Drifting]

What, exactly, am I apologizing to DELETED for? I mentioned work that he, himself, had mentioned on his public Facebook page. He is undoubtedly proud of his work or his page would be private, and the information woud have been unavailable for anyone to access.

Well, I think this for starters:

Did Pahoran tell me that he thought that Chino Blanco was Scratch? Yes, he did.

Did I suggest that Dan unfriend DELETED, who was on Dan's Facebook friend list? Yes, I did.[/u] (by the way, Dan does not know DELETED, and has no idea why that person was on his friends list to begin with.)

Pahoran had already told Dan that he thought DELETED was Scratch. All I did was notice that DELETED name was on Dan's Friends list, and suggested that he remove DELETED as a friend as a security precaution.

I did read on {aforementioned individual) Facebook page (which is public) that he spent time in Taiwan. The comment I made to Scratch was an obscure swipe. It was a payback for his prior pulling of crap on me when he has tried to get me ousted as a Moderator previously.

It was an obscure enough swipe that if Scratch was NOT DELETED, Scratch would not know what the hell I was talking about, and it would be no harm no foul. If Scratch WAS DELETED, then it would allow him to know that I suspected who he was, and he better simply leave me alone.

Have you apologised to DCP for having him remove a completely innocent party from his Facebook friends even though DCP himself had already consciously accepted him as a friend?

Have you apologised to the aforementioned individual for having him removed by DCP as a Facebook friend despite the fact that DCP had consciously accepted him as a friend?

Have you apologised to Pahoran for letting slip that it was he that told DCP, incorrectly, that the aforementioned individual was the poster known as Scratch, thereby causing DCP to embarrass himself online and have his reputation take yet another slide downwards?

Now, what about answering the question about how strong/robust the information was upon which you decided to act?

[_Yoda]

think the problem is that your connection with Daniel and Pahoran is tighter than most people are comfortable with. That is what erodes trust, not what you may or may not have said regarding Daniel's list of Facebook friends. As I said, that is all your business. I am just observing that having certain kinds of friends will impact how others feel about you. I think that a lot of the discomfort with having you as a mod came down to exactly that.

There are other posters here who are also friends with Dan. Jason is friends with Dan. Runtu is friends with Dan. At one point, YOU were friends with Dan. And for the record, I didn't read the exchange on Facebook between you two. If I had, I would have sided with you on that one. Simply because Dan and I are friends, does not mean that we have agreed on everything. I came out pretty strongly against Dan, for instance, when it came to the whole Eric debacle years ago.

Dan has been a good friend to me on a personal and professional level. I do not deny that. And I certainly willl not apologize for it.

As far as Pahoran is concerned, he and I recently were able to resolve some differences that we have had for a long time. Does that mean that I approve of everything he posts? No, it does not. It means that we are friends, and that we respect each other's differences, and enjoy what we do have in common. The end.

All I can say is, if Shades is going to pick Moderators based on who they are friends with, then he needs to clearly state that. It sounds an awful lot like Juliann's board to me.

[_Kishkumen]

All I can say is, if Shades is going to pick Moderators based on who they are friends with, then he needs to clearly state that. It sounds an awful lot like Juliann's board to me.

I agree that mods should not be chosen based on who their friends are, who they privilege in a discussion, and so forth. I was simply laying out what seemed to me to be some of the potential reasons for the attacks on you. I was not justifying them.

[Guest]

Hey Liz,

If we can take a brief pause from your crucifixion, I wanted to say a few things.

These are my opinions, I own them, and I make no apologies for offering them.

First, I wanted to let you know that it is highly admirable that you would be willing to be transparent (in full public view) in answering questions and adressing the concerns of the members here. I find this to be one of the many qualities you posses and often display.

Secondly, I am very comfortable in suggesting that you are (or at least were) a superb moderator here and for this community!

Lastly, it speaks volumes to me that you have earned the friendships of people all over the map (LDS, X-LDS, atheist, agnostic, and at least one crazy Catholic)

Here is to hoping that the benefit of the doubt will soon find its way to planet earth! (Lord knows you surely have earned it)

Peace,
Ceeboo

[_Yoda]

I have answered your questions in blue.

Have you apologised to DCP for having him remove a completely innocent party from his Facebook friends even though DCP himself had already consciously accepted him as a friend?
DCP wasn't even aware how Echols' name got on his list. I simply asked DCP if he knew him, and suggested that since he had been known to reveal personal information about himself on Facebook, he might look at his list and remove people he didn't know...Echols being among those folks.
Have you apologised to the aforementioned individual for having him removed by DCP as a Facebook friend despite the fact that DCP had consciously accepted him as a friend?
There is no reason for me to do so. All I did was make a suggestion to Dan. Dan is always free to "re-friend" him. That is up to the two of them. People get unfriended and refriended on Facebook all the time.
Have you apologised to Pahoran for letting slip that it was he that told DCP, incorrectly, that the aforementioned individual was the poster known as Scratch, thereby causing DCP to embarrass himself online and have his reputation take yet another slide downwards?
"Let slip"? I did not betray any type of confidence. Pahoran was very vocal about who he thought Scratch was. It was an open conversation. As far as what DCP did or did not do with that information, that was entirely up to him.
Now, what about answering the question about how strong/robust the information was upon which you decided to act?

I believe that I have already answered that question. If you mean did I stand up and shout from the rafters that DCP remove Echols as a friend, then no. I calmly stated to DCP that I thought it would be a good idea to play it safe.

[_Yoda]

Hey Liz,

If we can take a brief pause from your crucifixion, I wanted to say a few things.

These are my opinions, I own them, and I make no apologies for offering them.

First, I wanted to let you know that it is highly admirable that you would be willing to be transparent (in full public view) in answering questions and adressing the concerns of the members here. I find this to be one of the many qualities you posses and often display.

Secondly, I am very comfortable in suggesting that you are (or at least were) a superb moderator here and for this community!

Lastly, it speaks volumes to me that you have earned the friendships of people all over the map (LDS, X-LDS, atheist, agnostic, and at least one crazy Catholic)

Here is to hoping that the benefit of the doubt will soon find its way to planet earth! (Lord knows you surely have earned it)

Peace,
Ceeboo

Thanks, Ceeboo.

I love you, too!

[_Drifting]

I have answered your questions in blue.

Have you apologised to DCP for having him remove a completely innocent party from his Facebook friends even though DCP himself had already consciously accepted him as a friend?
DCP wasn't even aware how Echols' name got on his list. I simply asked DCP if he knew him, and suggested that since he had been known to reveal personal information about himself on Facebook, he might look at his list and remove people he didn't know...Echols being among those folks.
Have you apologised to the aforementioned individual for having him removed by DCP as a Facebook friend despite the fact that DCP had consciously accepted him as a friend?
There is no reason for me to do so. All I did was make a suggestion to Dan. Dan is always free to "re-friend" him. That is up to the two of them. People get unfriended and refriended on Facebook all the time.
Have you apologised to Pahoran for letting slip that it was he that told DCP, incorrectly, that the aforementioned individual was the poster known as Scratch, thereby causing DCP to embarrass himself online and have his reputation take yet another slide downwards?
"Let slip"? I did not betray any type of confidence. Pahoran was very vocal about who he thought Scratch was. It was an open conversation. As far as what DCP did or did not do with that information, that was entirely up to him.
Now, what about answering the question about how strong/robust the information was upon which you decided to act?

I believe that I have already answered that question. If you mean did I stand up and shout from the rafters that DCP remove Echols as a friend, then no. I calmly stated to DCP that I thought it would be a good idea to play it safe.

Thank you for answering Liz.

I don't think you have answered about the strength or robustness of the information leading to a suspicion about a specific individual who was friends with DCP being Scratch.

[_Yoda]

I'm not sure what more you want, Drifting. Did I feel that Pahoran was possibly onto something? Yes. Was I definite? No. Did I advise DCP to proceed with caution for his own security safety? Yes.

[_Drifting]

I'm not sure what more you want, Drifting. Did I feel that Pahoran was possibly onto something? Yes. Was I definite? No. Did I advise DCP to proceed with caution for his own security safety? Yes.

Thanks Liz.

[_sock puppet]

liz,

Moderator access to and use of IP address information has been raised in the last 24 hours.

You have restated what I had previously read, that Moderator have access to IP address information.

You have stated that you have not used IP address information to out Dr Scratch or anyone else.

What uses of IP address information do you believe to be appropriate?

Have your uses of IP address information remained within the ambit you explain as appropriate?

Have you ever disclosed a poster's IP information with a non-Mod?

Perhaps answering these questions will allay concerns that have been expressed, such as by Chap.