Roe in Roe vs. Wade repents

[_moksha]

The goal is to shame women.

You mean those painted Jezebels in their whalebone corsets. We knew how to deal with them in Wolf City, Wyoming.

Pregnancy and childbirth is messy and not without its dangers. Women know that.

That is hardly fair to spirited discourse when you bring reality into it.

[_ldsfaqs]

Oh, and by the way, abortion isn't murder. Look up the definition if you need to.

When God murdered those pregnant women when He flooded the world and drowned them was that murder, abortion or neither?

God doesn't murder since our spirits come from him anyway, they were simply returned to him.
Your logic is flawed, and it is I who have "bested" you.

God has a right to kill because it's in his plan already, he already knows everything.
Man cannot kill because doing such takes away free agency when it's not authorized, nor for just reason or cause. Death is only authorized when it is actually moral. This is what Roe finally realized. God's actions were moral, for children were being born into wickedness not being allowed a chance to know and chose good over evil.

Abortion is murder because God did not authorize it as part of his plan, it's man assuming authority and power over another's agency that he's not given.

[_Drifting]

God has a right to kill because it's in his plan already...

Kind of makes "Thou shalt not kill" a little hypocritical don't you think? The old "Do as I say, not as I do..." kind of two-facedness one doesn't really expect from a loving God.

he already knows everything.

Which kind of makes the plan of salvation a bit of a waste of time. If He already knows the outcome already then why are we playing the game? Seems a little bit like a cat toying with a mouse. Again, not the expected behaviour of a loving God.

Man cannot kill because doing such takes away free agency when it's not authorized, nor for just reason or cause.

Actually man can, and does kill. (see Mountain Meadow Massacre).

Death is only authorized when it is actually moral.

Who decides what is a moral killing and is therefore 'authorised'? For instance, those people who flew planes into buildings felt that it was a moral thing to do and was therefore 'authorised' by deity. You don't know that they are wrong, you just think they are. What constitutes 'authorisation'? Does God send a memo or is it those little voices in your head saying "Kill them, kill them all..." that you would rely on?

This is what Roe finally realized. God's actions were moral, for children were being born into wickedness not being allowed a chance to know and chose good over evil.

See above

Abortion is murder because God did not authorize it as part of his plan, it's man assuming authority and power over another's agency that he's not given.

How do you know God doesn't authorise it as 'moral' killings'?

The only thing you have bested recently is your little factory...and even that was a close call...

[_subgenius]

Oh, and by the way, abortion isn't murder. Look up the definition if you need to.

When God murdered those pregnant women when He flooded the world and drowned them was that murder, abortion or neither?

To accuse God of a crime, any crime, simply emphasizes the naïveté of your post.

[_subgenius]

These ads are a calculated attack on women. The goal is to shame women.

so, to reveal the product of an abortion is tantamount to shame? how so?
when teaching driver's education and they show a car wreck is the goal simply to shame alcoholics? to shame those who text message? to shame those who put makeup on in traffic? to shame those who are not good drivers?

this whole "it shames women" argument demeans women more than anything else.
clearly you are not shamed by it, are you?
shame is not imposed upon you, any shame in your life is by your own hand.

However, the consequence is that women who have had miscarriages and elective abortions are traumatized and forced to relive what is often one of the most traumatizing and painful experiences of their lives.

speculation.
and to equate miscarriages with elective abortions is ridiculous...how can one consider wanting a child and losing it prematurely as being the same as not wanting a child and purposely getting rid of it?
The former has just cause for sorrow, whereas the latter has simply sought out the most convenient method to remove an inconvenience.
Elective abortion is likely the procedure which assists an otherwise careless and self-indulgent woman or couple from realizing the consequences of their thoughtless nature.

I've had two miscarriages. I've watched the tissue as it is expelled from my body. I've felt it. I've had the blood run down my legs. I don't need to see that s*** again.

then obviously you consider "being pregnant" as something more than just a biological inconvenience....obviously that trauma stems from an understanding of what being pregnant does, and should, mean to a woman....and a man.

Pregnancy and childbirth is messy and not without its dangers. Women know that.

Yet, so many are so careless with their bodies...i am not sure that enough women know that.

[_just me]

subby, you are a sexist person. We all know that and you just keep right on proving it.

by the way, no I was not speculating. Studies have been done and I have personal experience and the experiences of others to go on. How many times have you been pregnant? None? That's what I thought.

Showing people the aborted product of conception is done to try to shame women from having abortions (which are legal). States passing laws that force women to have an ultrasound prior to aborting do so to try to shame the woman into not having the abortion.
Some people even want to force women considering abortion to watch a live abortion prior to having the surgery herself---regardless of WHY she is choosing to have one.
Since abortion is LEGAL the only thing that people can do is everything in their power to scare and shame women into keeping an unwanted pregnancy.

I think that the tissue removed during ANY surgery is gross and disturbing and could be traumatizing to children and sensitive people. Why aren't we making commercials of tumors and stuff? Why aren't we trying to pass legislation that forces men to watch a live vasectomy before getting it done themselves?

[_beastie]

I strongly believe that any person who thinks abortion is a sin, contrary to God's will, should definitely not have an abortion.

[_subgenius]

subby, you are a sexist person. We all know that and you just keep right on proving it.

geez, dames, go figure

by the way, no I was not speculating. Studies have been done and I have personal experience and the experiences of others to go on. How many times have you been pregnant? None? That's what I thought.

typical dame response. i have never been pregnant, so there...i have also never had cancer, so i should ignore that too...i have also never been a Swedish citizen....blah blah blah

Showing people the aborted product of conception is done to try to shame women from having abortions (which are legal). States passing laws that force women to have an ultrasound prior to aborting do so to try to shame the woman into not having the abortion.
Some people even want to force women considering abortion to watch a live abortion prior to having the surgery herself---regardless of WHY she is choosing to have one.

If a woman feels "shame" then it is her own fault because it is contrary to her own conscience....i do not feel shame when i see footage of a pig being slaughtered because deep down i love bacon.

Since abortion is LEGAL the only thing that people can do is everything in their power to scare and shame women into keeping an unwanted pregnancy.

and freedom of speech is also LEGAL.

I think that the tissue removed during ANY surgery is gross and disturbing and could be traumatizing to children and sensitive people. Why aren't we making commercials of tumors and stuff? Why aren't we trying to pass legislation that forces men to watch a live vasectomy before getting it done themselves?

i remember being shown pictures of black and tar filled lungs in school to "educate" us of the consequences from smoking....being educated to the consequences and products of our actions is not something i discourage....i appreciate your desire for censorship, but it has no place in a modern society - imho.
As for vasectomies, sure why not?

[_just me]

You can't even pretend not to be sexist. It's almost funny.

The reason people shouldn't be required to view live procedures is because there are privacy laws to prevent it. Requiring someone to view means you are requiring someone to BE VIEWED.

We already have censorship on television which I believe is a healthy thing. I don't want my children seeing pornographic or violent images on our home television. Television shows have to be rated and use warnings. I do not think it is right for commercials to have a different set of standards.

Certain swear words cannot air. There are regulations as to how much of a person's body can show and how graphic violence and sexual content can be. And when a show contains them there is a rating and warning code so people can make an INFORMED decision.

Whenever there are medical surgery shows on they even have a longer warning that images may be disturbing, etc. etc. Parental discretion is advised.

[_Brackite]

Oh, and by the way, abortion isn't murder. Look up the definition if you need to.

What about late term abortions???