Young Earth Creationism in the LDS Church

[_Ceeboo]

Hey Seth

I'll give it a try.

When Adam first left the Garden of Eden the Earth was still one single landmass. Then, in the days of Peleg, the Earth was divided. During this division, as God was moving all the continents to where they are today, some land that had been submerged was raised up, and vice versa.

The Flood. It rained for 40 days and 40 nights, but the water took like a year to recede, so they don't have to explain how all this stuff happened in just 40 days, stupid. They had a whole 365 days!

While Noah's Ark was bobbing up and down on the waves, little did Noah's family and all those animals know that God was working his magic on the land that was submerged, making great changes. Sure there would have been tsunamis and whatnot, but God just made sure the ark wasn't in any of these tsunamis' paths, through the application of his omniscience.

Dating methods scientists use are all wrong, for reasons I can't comprehend but accept as truth, because Ken Ham assured me they are.

So, combine wrong dating methods, the Flood, the division of the Earth in the days of Peleg, magic, and some hand-waving exercises, and the Bible is absolutely correct on the creation of the Earth, and millions of Darwinist scientists have joined in a nefarious anti-God conspiracy to suppress the truths of the Bible with Satan-inspired Darwinist lies straight from the pits of Hell.

Sig line?

Probably too long, huh?

Peace,
Ceeboo

[_Uncle Dale]

Oh, subgenius believes the Earth is only 6,000 years old?!? Fascinating. Are there really Mormons that actually believe that and why?

Can't speak for all Mormons, but I've met many that do
profess that Adam and Eve lived about 8,000 years ago --
and that the earth itself may have been around for some
time prior to their advent (complete with fossils imported
from Kolob, or some such extraterrestrial place).

RLDS teachers (including PhD profs) I've known, have
argued that the earth was created in 6006 BC. Add
2012 to that figure to get its full age.

Why did they argue that point? -- Because the 1835
D&C's Articles on Faith teach the doctrine, accompanied
by explanations and biblical citations. The RLDS argue
that God would never have allowed such teachings
to remain in a book of latter day scripture, for many
many decades, were they ungodly and untrue.

So, yes, there are observant Latter Day Saints who
profess that sort of bullcrap. They are the same sort
of folks who would argue that only the upper 8000
years of annual deposit bands in ice core drillings
are "real" -- and that Satan added in the lowermost
(pre-6006 BC) ice deposit markers to "destroy our faith."

UD

[_Uncle Dale]

On the LDS notion, that many ancient lifeform
fossils were incorporated into our planet's rock
strata "from pre-existing debris, taken from
other, older planets," -- that conceit never
made any sense whatsoever to my young mind,
as I grew up (schooled mostly by Mormon
teachers in my younger years).

If that fairy tale were true, I'd expect to see all
those fossils mixed together in a great stony
jumble -- and not deposited in evolutionary
sequences, with the more primitive plants
and animals always occurring in the lower
strata. Touring the Grand Canyon, I'd expect
to see at least a few trilobites in the upper
rock layers, and a few dinosaurs in the lower
layers. ------- Unless Satan REALLY did play
around with earth's ancient rocks, to fool us.

UD

[_Themis]

All creationists are creationists. The only difference being that some creationists tend to accept the flawed dating methods used by evolutionist, and some do not!

Peace,
Ceeboo

Evolutionists? Funny how a term is used to describe primarily scientists who discovered and use these dating methods who do not study evolutionary science.

[_Sethbag]

Think about it. If Satan really were messing around with the evidence in the Earth just to screw with us, would he do it in an obvious way? I argue that the very fact that his meddling is so subtle is proof that he really did meddle with it all.

His crowning achievement is that he arranged the evidence in such a way that it looks like Earth's natural history can be explained by reference to entirely naturalistic processes, without the need for God to explain any of it. It doesn't get any more subtle than that! QED: Satan did it!

And if Satan did it, then Satan is real, and hence God is real too. You're welcome.

[_Quasimodo]

Here are some 150 million year old dinosaur tracks discovered on the Arabic Peninsula.

Obviously made by an ancestor of this guy.

[_zeezrom]

Think about it. If Satan really were messing around with the evidence in the Earth just to screw with us, would he do it in an obvious way? I argue that the very fact that his meddling is so subtle is proof that he really did meddle with it all.

His crowning achievement is that he arranged the evidence in such a way that it looks like Earth's natural history can be explained by reference to entirely naturalistic processes, without the need for God to explain any of it. It doesn't get any more subtle than that! QED: Satan did it!

And if Satan did it, then Satan is real, and hence God is real too. You're welcome.

This means Satan would have had to pretty much create the earth's crust. This is a big feat! Maybe Satan is our creator, after all?

[_Tobin]

Oh, subgenius believes the Earth is only 6,000 years old?!? Fascinating. Are there really Mormons that actually believe that and why?

Can't speak for all Mormons, but I've met many that do
profess that Adam and Eve lived about 8,000 years ago --
and that the earth itself may have been around for some
time prior to their advent (complete with fossils imported
from Kolob, or some such extraterrestrial place).

RLDS teachers (including PhD profs) I've known, have
argued that the earth was created in 6006 BC. Add
2012 to that figure to get its full age.

Why did they argue that point? -- Because the 1835
D&C's Articles on Faith teach the doctrine, accompanied
by explanations and biblical citations. The RLDS argue
that God would never have allowed such teachings
to remain in a book of latter day scripture, for many
many decades, were they ungodly and untrue.

So, yes, there are observant Latter Day Saints who
profess that sort of bullcrap. They are the same sort
of folks who would argue that only the upper 8000
years of annual deposit bands in ice core drillings
are "real" -- and that Satan added in the lowermost
(pre-6006 BC) ice deposit markers to "destroy our faith."

UD

I've never really understood the connection between the existence of Adam and Even and why the Earth has to be 6000-8000 years old. My view is Geneis is mostly symbolic, but let's suppose that Adam and Eve existed. The Garden of Eden was separate from this world. Adam and Eve were cast out into this biosphere at some point (let's say 6,000 years or more ago). This does not state that there were no humans before them. Only that they were formed and became the first living soul (a container for these enhanced intelligences that we call spirits). How did this really happen? Were they bioengineered from intelligent life that evolved here and adapted for God's use. That seems as reasonable as anything else. It certainly does not mean the evolution is false or that God can not work with in the confines of nature. And it certainly doesn't mean the world didn't exist (and life did not exist) before that point. To believe the world is only a few thousands years old is absurd given the mountain of evidence that we have that is it much older than that. And certainly one shouldn't believe it based on misunderstanding of a mostly symbolic work in the Bible.

[Bedlamite]

...
This means Satan would have had to pretty much create the earth's crust. This is a big feat! Maybe Satan is our creator, after all...

My respect for Lord Lucifer just increased by leaps
and bounds. Think of the geological implications...
All those instances along the mid-Atlantic Ridge,
where the cunning Lord of Lies had to fake the
millions of years' worth of magnetic field polarity
reversals in the opposing, mirror-image
bands of sea floor spreading lava deposits!!!

And here in Hawaii where I live -- Beelzebub had to
fake millions of years worth of volcanic activity, to
create false geologic evidence for tectonic plate
movement over the mid-Pacific "hot-spot" where
my home on the southernmost Hawaiian volcano
is now located.

But now Satan has produced a new, growing
volcanic island, out in the ocean south of here,
to rise up and break through the sea level in
a few million years (as our own home volcano
begins to grow extinct and its lava flows end).

All hail the Father of Lies, The Lord of the Air,
who has so wonderfully deceived us humans...

UD

[_Uncle Dale]

I've never really understood the connection between the existence of Adam and Even and why the Earth has to be 6000-8000 years old. My view is Geneis is mostly symbolic, but let's suppose that Adam and Eve existed. The Garden of Eden was separate from this world. Adam and Eve were cast out into this biosphere at some point (let's say 6,000 years or more ago). This does not state that there were no humans before them. Only that they were formed and became the first living soul (a container for these enhanced intelligences that we call spirits). How did this really happen? Were they bioengineered from intelligent life that evolved here and adapted for God's use. That seems as reasonable as anything else. It certainly does not mean the evolution is false or that God can not work with in the confines of nature. And it certainly doesn't mean the world didn't exist (and life did not exist) before that point. To believe the world is only a few thousands years old is absurd given the mountain of evidence that we have that is it much older than that. And certainly one shouldn't believe it based on misunderstanding of a mostly symbolic work in the Bible.

And orbital epicycles... Can we work them in somehow?
I always liked epicycles, and their support for a flat
Earth in a geocentric planetary system...

UD