Anger, Vitriol, Angst.

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Re: Anger, Vitriol, Angst.

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Ceeboo wrote:Hey Toronto

LDSToronto wrote:Are you suggesting that anger, vitriol, and angst are undesirable emotions which ought to be done away with?


No, I was "suggesting" no such thing.
Why would you "suggest" that I was?


I didn't suggest that you felt one way or the other; I was asking a question to clarify the meaning of your post.

Judging by your tone, you are agitated, maybe even angered, by my response. I could be wrong, but you must admit your response to my question wasn't friendly.

What would we find if we looked beneath the anger and the agitation portrayed in your response?

H.
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Re: Anger, Vitriol, Angst.

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zeezrom wrote:I'm more familiar with the human tendancy to have an angry face behind a happy mask.


Exactly. Dishonesty in emotional expression is all too common.

H.
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Re: Anger, Vitriol, Angst.

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LDSToronto wrote:
What would we find if we looked beneath the anger and the agitation portrayed in your response?

H.


You!

:lol:

Peace,
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Re: Anger, Vitriol, Angst.

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Ceeboo wrote:
LDSToronto wrote:
What would we find if we looked beneath the anger and the agitation portrayed in your response?

H.


You!

:lol:

Peace,
Ceeboo


Interesting. Does that mean that I control your emotions? Or is it something else? Does the character 'LDSToronto' evoke an automatic response that you are unable to control?

H.
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Re: Anger, Vitriol, Angst.

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Aren't "Anger", "Vitriol" and "Angst" three of the Playboy Bunnies?
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Re: Anger, Vitriol, Angst.

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zeezrom wrote:I'm more familiar with the human tendancy to have an angry face behind a happy mask.


I put every other (so-called negative) emotion behind a happy mask. When speaking of something painful I would laugh and smile.
Pretty jacked up, but I learned young that it was safer that way.
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Re: Anger, Vitriol, Angst.

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What is beneath anger, vitriol, and/or angst?

I believe (almost always) there is sincere pain, disappointment, and/or deep hurt found at the very roots.

What say you?

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Re: Anger, Vitriol, Angst.

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Ceeboo wrote:What is beneath anger, vitriol, and/or angst?

I believe (almost always) there is sincere pain, disappointment, and/or deep hurt found at the very roots.

What say you?

Peace,
Ceeboo


I would add fear. In fact, I think fear can be a bigger factor than pain, etc.

Anger can have some great energy and bring about action. Without anger I doubt the Civil Rights Movement would have happened, for example.
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Re: Anger, Vitriol, Angst.

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Ceeboo wrote:What is beneath anger, vitriol, and/or angst?

I believe (almost always) there is sincere pain, disappointment, and/or deep hurt found at the very roots.

What say you?

Peace,
Ceeboo


Please clarify:

1. Are you lumping anger, vitriol, and angst into one emotion, or are you treating them separately?

2. Are you talking about chronic anger or acute anger?

H.
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Re: Anger, Vitriol, Angst.

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I think we are all very much alike, Ceeboo. We are human beings. Very few of us are so outside of the norms for humanity that we would qualify as aberrant in morally objectionable ways, but there are a few possible exceptions. I generally don't want to label people as bad, but I think they are engaged in ill-advised initiatives, and I am usually vocal about my views. I have criticized both critics and apologists for engaging in behaviors I thought were counterproductive. At the same time, I engage in behaviors that are probably counterproductive in certain ways.

I don't hold myself to be perfect.
I don't hold others to some unrealistic demand for perfection.
I don't refrain from sharing my views in any case.

When it comes to my scuffles with DCP and other apologists, I don't feel hatred for them. I do get angry with them, and I expect better of them. But, I realize that my desires are probably not going come about. We have fundamental disagreements, and they seem to have at least the tacit approval of the LDS Church to engage in the tactics they engage in. I don't think that places them above criticism, but they seem to believe that it does.
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