As I suspected...

[_ajax18]

http://www.city-journal.org/html/8_1_a1.html

I think this article is a good demonstration of how liberal values increase and perpetuate the number of impoverished. The key point is that for liberalism, becoming a single parent is just one of many lifestyle choices. Having children is a right and the responsibilities to secure such a right falls to the state. Marriage is not a prerecquisite to having children. Divorce is often encouraged.

The truth is that even if Obama gets to raise my taxes and everybody elses taxes another 10%, the increase in unwed mothers and the poverty rate will make it so that the only change will be that now I won't be able to pay my monthly bills as well. Eventually we'll become equally poor and get progressively poorer and poorer altogether, workers and nonworkers, responsible and irresponsible alike.

http://heartland.org/newspaper-submissi ... mmigration

Nobody hates the increasing importation of poverty from Latin America more than me, but the truth is that the real problem is welfare, not mass and illegal immigration. The fact that welfare pays just as well as the jobs Americans won't do is the only reason we keep having immigrants in the first place. And when these immigrants become legal, they'll opt for welfare over work just like American people do now. More illegal immigrants will come to replace the newly legalized immigrants and the problem will keep expanding. No amount of taxation can slow down that kind of poverty expansion.

As the saying goes, "If you're not a socialist when you're 20, you don't have a heart. If you're a socialist when you're 40, you don't have a brain."

[_moksha]

If we're talking about politics, how can "compassion" be part of the discussion? There's nothing "compassionate" about forcibly taking money from one person and giving it to someone else.

It may be necessary for whatever reason, but it can't be "compassion", and we should never fool ourselves into thinking it is.

While maybe it is not compassion taking money from those who wish to hoard their golden sheckles, it is compassionate when that money is used to promote the general welfare (such as driving on an Interstate without potholes) or feeding the hungry. Compassion in this sense may be a matter of perspective.

[_Quasimodo]

Liberalism is a false compassion as you have illustrated.

Conservatism is a false patriotism (as you constantly illustrate).

[_ajax18]

Compassion in this sense may be a matter of perspective.

Then it sure isn't from the perspective of the people being taxed. Hoard your gold sheckles? We're talking about people in $100k of student loan debt having 40% of their income garnished before they can even start paying it back. And where did liberals get this idea that conservatives don't want to pay for roads? We don't want to pay for the irresponsible lifestyles that people choose at the rate the government dictates. We've paid for the freeways and continue to pay for them many times over. We're saying to stop putting policies in place that continue to grow the welfare rolls and attract more welfare minded people looking to take advantage of it.

San Diego may be the gateway to America, but the American taxpayer is it's doormat.

[_richardMdBorn]

This is about the 20th thread on this MB in which liberal posters post a study, probably also done by liberals, which attempts to prove that conservatives are bad, stupid etc. This does not appear to be an effort to persuade; calling people stupid is not a very effective tactic to get them to change their minds. Just like the PM I got several years ago from a liberal abusing me merely persuaded me that the person sending it was a jackass. Perhaps it's a group loyalty thing; given the evidence of the disastrous effects of liberal policies, some bucking up of the clan is necessary.

[_Kevin Graham]

This is about the 20th thread on this MB in which liberal posters post a study, probably also done by liberals, which attempts to prove that conservatives are bad, stupid etc. This does not appear to be an effort to persuade; calling people stupid is not a very effective tactic to get them to change their minds. Just like the PM I got several years ago from a liberal abusing me merely persuaded me that the person sending it was a jackass. Perhaps it's a group loyalty thing; given the evidence of the disastrous effects of liberal policies, some bucking up of the clan is necessary.

This was the kind of thing that persuaded me, I can say for a fact.

Sometimes it takes something like this to jolt you enough to make you question your own held beliefs. For me, it was seeing my Republican family go off in racist rants against Obama the night he was elected. I voted for McCain too, but that was the first day I began to question my own political beliefs. I asked myself, could these despicable idiots really have it right when it comes to politics? They're wrong on everything else it seems, so why assume they have it right about economics, politics, etc, when none of them have ever read anything on either topic? All they do is watch Hannity and listen to Limbaugh every day. That's the extent of their education on such matters. And they hate immigrants, and anyone Hannity says is not a great American.

The study posted doesn't call Republicans "stupid, bad etc" it just says those who are fearful as children, tend to be Republican as adults. It explains a natural conditioning method, very much like how Mormons condition children to grow up in the Church. Scare the crap out of them about the consequences of being something else.

Also, those who are racist tend to be Republican as well. This is just a fact that one Republican recently admitted on televison after Romney's campaign chair went on FOX News to say Colin Powell only supports Obama because he is black. You guys love to make fun of the fact that so many pot-heads and losers vote Democrat because they are, well, simply "losers" in life. Well, I'd rather have them over your racists and bigots any day of the week. I suspect Jesus would too.

[_ajax18]

And they hate immigrants, and anyone Hannity says is not a great American.

Kevin I swear I remember you stating once on FAIR that criticizing someone for opposing illegal immigration is no different than criticizing someone who doesn't give to every beggar who asks him for money as he walks down the street. Then you followed it up by saying, "And that's coming from a guy whose wife was deported to Brazil." Does that statement qualify as "hating" immigrants in your new world view?

[_bcspace]

Liberalism is a false compassion as you have illustrated.

Conservatism is a false patriotism (as you constantly illustrate).

Not true either. Conservatives show true compassion by not imposing a crushing socialist economy. For example, Kings Benjamin and Mosiah did not weight the people down with heave redistributive taxes. It has also already been demonstrated that conservatives are more generous in charitable giving. Hence conservatives are true patriots.

And they hate immigrants, and anyone Hannity says is not a great American.

This is also not true. What conservatives hate is illegal immigration. They don't hate immigrants of any kind.

[_moksha]

Hence conservatives are true patriots.

The greatest evidence for this claim is that these patriotic conservatives drape the flag from their right shoulder. That way, it helps hide the shoulder holster and pacemaker.



Talk About Fear Department

One item I am concerned about is Mitt Romney referencing Cleon Skousen in his recent radio interview on Mormonism. Cleon Skousen ideas being part of any President's frame of reference is very disconcerting.