Case No. 20120452 A Must READ (Links)

[_Tator]

TMB it seems you started a thread that you can't make an acceptable comment on.

[Guest]

TMB it seems you started a thread that you can't make an acceptable comment on.

No. The tone of the thread started to distract from my original intent.

I simply wanted to show that the Mormon Church was in a Utah State Supreme Court case where they are afraid of the Plaintiff's claims. Everyone who wants to understand what the Mormon Church really cherishes should read these two Briefs. Despite their VERY public claims of doing more for Sex Abuse Victims than ANY OTHER Organization, when they are being sued, they threaten to do away with the HELP LINE if the Plaintiff prevails in court. This shows their VERY VERY Corporate sided and belittles their supposed Christian side. It is and always has been about the MONEY!

Therefore I removed my comments that started the distraction.

[_Fence Sitter]

My point is that child predators tend to volunteer to work with children. You cannot do this with the church since they call members from the ward to serve in the position, so a predator may not be able to get the calling. Background checks are great, but it doesn't stop many of them who haven't yet committed these crimes or have been good at covering their tracks. The burning is the bosom is just one intuition. Some are better at it then others, but it is not from some unseen divine being, and cannot take take the place of background checks.

With the exception of higher leadership positions, someone familiar with how the system works can easily get called to a position they want. You simply wait until the bishop asks you do to something and then, if it is not the calling you want, decline and express an interest in "helping out" in other areas.

[_Themis]

With the exception of higher leadership positions, someone familiar with how the system works can easily get called to a position they want. You simply wait until the bishop asks you do to something and then, if it is not the calling you want, decline and express an interest in "helping out" in other areas.

To some extent yes. My point is only that you need to take it into account.

[_The Mighty Builder]

With the exception of higher leadership positions, someone familiar with how the system works can easily get called to a position they want. You simply wait until the bishop asks you do to something and then, if it is not the calling you want, decline and express an interest in "helping out" in other areas.

To some extent yes. My point is only that you need to take it into account.

Themis

Please see my editing.

TMB

[_sock puppet]

Imagine the outrage by SLC Mormons if the sex abuse hotline at issue in this litigation had been maintained and operated by a non-profit women's clinic that KM had gone to instead of her Mormon bishop. Particularly if that clinic also counseled teenage girls and women on birth control and abortions.

They'd want that clinic's 'head on a platter' legally speaking for the clinic worker not having used that sex abuse hotline for KM. But "the Church" can do no wrong in their eyes.

Pathetic tribalism.

From an albeit cursory reading, I did not see mention of what 'bishop' Walker's excuse for not using the LDS Hot Line to help KM was?

Was it to protect Jaroscak? Was there testimony from Walker as to why he didn't?

Also, I note that the LDS Help Line is only available to ecclesiastical leaders, not rank and file members. Given that the LDS Church promotes the notion that members should go to these leaders for help, especially in sexual situations outside of marriage (as this was), why the bottleneck and not have the Help Line open to all members? The ecclesiastical compulsion taught, and then bottlenecking any help from "God"/"God's church" through these leaders suggests to me liability. KM went to Walker. He told her what she needed to do and told KM's mother it was taken care of. The bottlenecking is based on the presumption that "God" has called all these men to be bishops and SPs, and that they are guided in their roles by the HG. Really? After all the instances that debunk that notion, COB still acts defiantly and blindly to this experience?

[_lulu]

From an albeit cursory reading, I did not see mention of what 'bishop' Walker's excuse for not using the LDS Hot Line to help KM was?

I believe his position is that he never talked to her.

[_The Mighty Builder]

The disturbing part to me is in their reply. The Mormon Church simply states this if this plaintiff prevails, WE WILL SHUT DOWN THE HELP LINE. Again, MONEY over the needs of the abused.

What happened to We do more than anyone else to protect Children?

[_sock puppet]

From an albeit cursory reading, I did not see mention of what 'bishop' Walker's excuse for not using the LDS Hot Line to help KM was?

I believe his position is that he never talked to her.

So if remanded to the trial court, it's going to turn into a he said/she said and mom said (she testified, If I recall correctly, that the bishop told her he'd taken care of it).

I wonder what evidence (other than KM's mom) there might be that corroborates that KM was talking to Walker on the two claimed occasions?

I wonder too what the older boy/perp says about whether Walker ever brought up with the perp the sex abuse KM reported?

[_lulu]

From an albeit cursory reading, I did not see mention of what 'bishop' Walker's excuse for not using the LDS Hot Line to help KM was?

I believe his position is that he never talked to her.

So if remanded to the trial court, it's going to turn into a he said/she said and mom said (she testified, If I recall correctly, that the bishop told her he'd taken care of it).

I wonder what evidence (other than KM's mom) there might be that corroborates that KM was talking to Walker on the two claimed occasions?

I wonder too what the older boy/perp says about whether Walker ever brought up with the perp the sex abuse KM reported?

It would be odd that the mother talked to the bishop but the victim did not.

As to your last point, that really might be something under the seal of the confessional.