What's the Hullabaloo?

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

I just can't believe someone like Liz would put any sort of faith into someone like Pahoran. The dude is certifiable.

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Dr. Cam

[_Yoda]

Liz, my issue with your statement is that you were claiming that you suggested DCP 'unfriend' Chino simply because you thought DCP didn't know him. (Do you know which people on DCP's list of Facebook friends he does and doesn't know? If so, how do you know that?).

That is disingenuous.
The reason, and only reason you singled out Chino for this Facebook 'unfriending' attention is because of the erroneous tip off from Pahoran. Please don't try and dress it up as a good natured neighbourly suggestion. It wasn't. Unless of course you suggested DCP unfriend ALL the people you claim are on DCP's friends list you know he doesn't really know. But you didn't do that, right?

Don't get me wrong, I'm willing to let the matter rest. But if I think you are trying to mitigate it by posting something that suggests it was just a harmless friendly thing to do, then I will call you out on it.

How the hell do you know what my thought process was? I am the only one who knows that, and I am trying to explain it.

No, I don't know who else is on DCP's list that he doesn't know. Would I have singled Chino Blanco out if it weren't for the theory about him being Scratch? No. I have never denied that. However, I figured that even if the theory was WRONG, it would be no harm no foul in him unfriending Chino because it was someone he didn't know.

I will call you on things if you attempt to put words in my mouth, and accuse me of being disingenuous unfairly. THAT is what you were doing.

[_Yoda]

The reason, and only reason you singled out Chino for this Facebook 'unfriending' attention is because of the erroneous tip off from Pahoran.

Clearly. But it isn't that big of a deal, is it?

I only wish that Liz had asked those of us who know both Chino Blanco and Doctor Scratch whether we thought he was one and the same. We could have saved everyone a lot of trouble.

I had no idea that you knew who both of these people were in real life. If I did, I would have asked your opinion.

The thing is....Everyone is assuming that I have been a lot more invested in who Scratch is in real life than I really have been. That is what is frustrating in all of this.

I really don't care one way or the other. I never have.

What i was frankly getting tired of was Dan constantly complaining about what Scratch was saying, but not looking into putting together some sort of action against him, if his comments were really hurting him from a professional standpoint.

What I had told Dan was that if what Scratch was saying was impacting him negatively from a professional standpoint to a point that it was putting his job and professional reputation in jeopardy, he needed to look into what could be done about it legally. That would, naturally involve knowing exactly who he was dealing with.

When Pahoran shared with both Dan and myself who he felt that Scratch was, and revealed the source of that information, it was a pretty overwhelmingly trusted source.

Still, since this was the only information we were going on, I still advised Dan to proceed cautiously. I would have NEVER advised Dan to publish what he did in his blog.

The only thing I felt that made immenent sense for him to do was to unfriend Chino Blanco on Facebook.

Also, since it has been so emphatically stipulated by those here that Scratch and Chino Blanco are not the same person, I stil have yet to understand why Scratch was so upset by my rather obscure comment.

[_Kishkumen]

I had no idea that you knew who both of these people were in real life. If I did, I would have asked your opinion.

The thing is....Everyone is assuming that I have been a lot more invested in who Scratch is in real life than I really have been. That is what is frustrating in all of this.

I guess that's what happens when you confer with someone who is obviously very invested in it.

What i was frankly getting tired of was Dan constantly complaining about what Scratch was saying, but not looking into putting together some sort of action against him, if his comments were really hurting him from a professional standpoint.

I think it would be almost impossible at this point for Peterson to make the argument that Scratch has hurt him professionally.

What I had told Dan was that if what Scratch was saying was impacting him negatively from a professional standpoint to a point that it was putting his job and professional reputation in jeopardy, he needed to look into what could be done about it legally. That would, naturally involve knowing exactly who he was dealing with.

So, you were advising Daniel to investigate Scratch's identity, and you were helping him narrow down possible leads.

Interesting.

When Pahoran shared with both Dan and myself who he felt that Scratch was, and revealed the source of that information, it was a pretty overwhelmingly trusted source.

Still, since this was the only information we were going on, I still advised Dan to proceed cautiously. I would have NEVER advised Dan to publish what he did in his blog.

The only thing I felt that made immenent sense for him to do was to unfriend Chino Blanco on Facebook.

Also, since it has been so emphatically stipulated by those here that Scratch and Chino Blanco are not the same person, I stil have yet to understand why Scratch was so upset by my rather obscure comment.

Well, I appreciate your candor about your continuing involvement and interest in collecting information for LDS apologists who are looking to take legal action against their enemies. I think this has been the most illuminating post of the entire series of threads on this issue.

I am very relieved that you are no longer a moderator.

[_MCB]

Kish, I see it as a result of burn-out. Can we forgive and go on?

[_Yoda]

So, you were advising Daniel to investigate Scratch's identity, and you were helping him narrow down possible leads.

Exactly how did I narrow down possible leads? All I did was tell him that I thought Pahoran's theory should be given some pause, and that he probably should investigate it further to see if it was feasible. I also told him to unfriend Chino as a precaution. That was my involvement in any type of "investigation". The End.

[_Yoda]

Well, I appreciate your candor about your continuing involvement and interest in collecting information for LDS apologists who are looking to take legal action against their enemies. I think this has been the most illuminating post of the entire series of threads on this issue.

"Continuing involvement"? Really? How did you figure that one? I am doing nothing to collect information for Dan or any other LDS apologist. Everything I did, I have spelled out. There is nothing CURRENT going on.

I am very relieved you are no longer a moderator.

I'm glad you're happy about things.

[_Kishkumen]

"Continuing involvement"? Really? How did you figure that one? I am doing nothing to collect information for Dan or any other LDS apologist. Everything I did, I have spelled out. There is nothing CURRENT going on.

But you are still "interested" in Scratch's reaction, which tells me that, despite everything that has happened, you still harbor some suspicion that Pahoran's source was right. And, you continue to engage the issue as though you are hoping to discover something that would be useful to Daniel to keep him from continuing to bother you with his complaints.

I'm glad you're happy about things.

No, I am rather unhappy about how things have developed. I am unhappy that you are advising Daniel Peterson to take legal action against people and assisting him in figuring out who these people are. All because, so you claim, you are simply sick of your friend Daniel moaning in complaint.

I am also unhappy about the devolution of Geeky NOMs into a haven for the worst of apologists and MDB discontents.

I would have preferred that a lot of those things had not happened, because I like you.

[_Yoda]

No, I am rather unhappy about how things have developed. I am unhappy that you are advising Daniel Peterson to take legal action against people and assisting him in figuring out who these people are. All because, so you claim, you are simply sick of your friend Daniel moaning in complaint.

I am also unhappy about the devolution of Geeky NOMs into a haven for the worst of apologists and MDB discontents.

I would have preferred that a lot of those things had not happened, because I like you.

I advised Dan to take legal action if, and only if, he felt that what was being said was impacting his professional reputation. I am doing nothing currently to assist him in figuring out who these people are. What I did, I already explained ad nauseum.

I don't see that Geeky NOMs has devolved. And I resent the fact that you seem to feel my members there are simply the worst of apologists and the worst of MDB discontents. I think that those who inhabit my board would probably disagree with you, as I do.

I like you, too, which is why this conversation hurts my feelings, and is not pleasant for me, either.

[_Kishkumen]

I advised Dan to take legal action if, and only if, he felt that what was being said was impacting his professional reputation. I am doing nothing currently to assist him in figuring out who these people are. What I did, I already explained ad nauseum.

I don't see that Geeky NOMs has devolved. And I resent the fact that you seem to feel my members there are simply the worst of apologists and the worst of MDB discontents. I think that those who inhabit my board would probably disagree with you, as I do.

I like you, too, which is why this conversation hurts my feelings, and is not pleasant for me, either.

I don't think that the members of your board are only MDB discontents and apologists. Some, however, are.

Anyway, I am done with this unpleasantness.