Pahoran: Make your case for libel against DCP or shut up

[_Darth J]

Has anyone ever found a dictionary definition of "harassment" that includes a debate-style challenge to the bases of a claim one has made?

[_sock puppet]

Has anyone ever found a dictionary definition of "harassment" that includes a debate-style challenge to the bases of a claim one has made?

"Evasion", yes; "harassment", no.

[_Pahoran]

Has anyone ever found a dictionary definition of "harassment" that includes a debate-style challenge to the bases of a claim one has made?

The "debate-style challenge" wasn't the harassment; it was you repeatedly addressing posts to me in other threads, demanding that I engage your "challenge."

On a subject in which I have only a passing interest and claim no expertise. Contrary to your, um, "misunderstanding" of something or other.

If you don't agree that that is "harassment," then I'll settle for "nagging."

Regards,
Pahoran

[_Kevin Graham]

I notice Pahoran doesn't deny accusing me of being a murderer at heart.

FTR, Thunderchops was a guy who posted on my old forum. I wasn't aware of him posting on a previous forum but I suppose that's possible. It seems most of us migrate from one forum to another using different names at times. He was a really cool guy and it was sad to see him go.

In any event, "Thunderchops" told me this privately many years ago, and of course I could be incorrectly remembering the exact venue in which he said Pahoran called his wife a whore (it could have been on ZLMB or it could have been in the chat room on my forum or it may have been somewhere else). I do know that when he told me this I was hardly surprised because that is precisely the kind of thing someone of Pahoran's character would say behind closed doors. He didn't say Pahoran used those exact words, but instead used his colorful rhetoric to highly suggest that this is exactly what she was. I didn't see any reason for him to lie about this, but I do find plenty reason for Pahoran to lie about it because he has a history of lying especially when he is forced to defend himself from accusations. He also has a history of trying to use technicalities to weasel himself out of being shown to be conclusively wrong on any given matter, desperately trying to open some sliver of hope that someone out there would be naïve enough to give him the benefit of the doubt.

For instance, his claim that he apologized to JP Holding for using his in real life identity in publication. That apology never happened, and I provided the emails to prove it. Instead of apologizing for lying about this, Pahoran then attacked me for refusing to consider the possibility that maybe he honestly forgot to apologize, but thought that he did, or maybe he did apologize and JP never received it, or maybe (and this is a Mormon favorite) JP and I are the liars because we're anti-Mormons and that's just what they expect of us. To his mind, there will always be some sliver of hope that the evidence should never weigh against him. Thus, any personal testimony about his despicable antics are reduced to mere "gossip."

Keep fighting the bad fight Pahoran, I'm sure in your mind you're doing your Church proud.

[_Everybody Wang Chung]

Kevin,

I would like to publicly apologize on behalf of Pahoran for calling Thunderchop's wife a "whore" and for calling you a "murderer". Most LDS are sane and would never act this way in such a consistent and long term manner like Pahoran has.

Pahoran has done real and lasting damage to the Church. Nobody here questions whether or not Pahoran said those things. Of course he did it. Pahoran says worse things than this on a daily basis. He is filled with an evil spirit in my opinion.

[_Pahoran]

FTR, Thunderchops was a guy who posted on my old forum. I wasn't aware of him posting on a previous forum but I suppose that's possible. It seems most of us migrate from one forum to another using different names at times. He was a really cool guy and it was sad to see him go.

In any event, "Thunderchops" told me this privately many years ago, and of course I could be incorrectly remembering the exact venue in which he said Pahoran called his wife a whore (it could have been on ZLMB or it could have been in the chat room on my forum or it may have been somewhere else).

Well, if it was on ZLMB, then there's no record of it there. I don't know if I've ever been to your forum, even once, and if I did, I would certainly not have gone into a chat room there.

I do know that when he told me this I was hardly surprised because that is precisely the kind of thing someone of Pahoran's character would say behind closed doors.

You mean it's the kind of thing someone of your character would like to believe -- and would gladly like others to believe -- about someone he hates.

Get it right.

He didn't say Pahoran used those exact words, but instead used his colorful rhetoric to highly suggest that this is exactly what she was.

So what we have is this:

1. The person to whom I supposedly said it can't be identified, and you are doing your best to make him unidentifiable.
2. The place where I supposedly said it can't be determined, and you are doing your best to multiply possibilities.
3. The words I supposedly used can't be quoted, and you are doing your best to make the alleged statement as vague as possible.

And yet you are still trying to make this accusation stick?

I didn't see any reason for him to lie about this, but I do find plenty reason for Pahoran to lie about it because he has a history of lying especially when he is forced to defend himself from accusations.

But I see plenty of reason for you to lie about it, because you have a history of fabricating false accusations against people you detest.

The notion that I would tell some random stranger that his wife was a whore is simply unbelievable. If I was going to insult anyone like that, I promise you that you, Kevin "Rabid Hater" Graham, would be the number one candidate; but it hasn't even occurred to me to say that about her. If I was going to say anything at all about her, it would be to offer my condolences to her for having the great misfortune to be married to one of the most actively malicious, hateful liars I have ever come across.

Regards,
Pahoran

(Edited to resolve ambiguity.)

[_3sheets2thewind]

Wow, pahoran complaining of double standards.

[_Kishkumen]

But I see plenty of reason for you to lie about it, because you have a history of fabricating false accusations against people you detest.

The notion that I would tell some random stranger that his wife was a whore is simply unbelievable. If I was going to insult anyone like that, I promise you that you, Kevin "Rabid Hater" Graham, would be the number one candidate; but it hasn't even occurred to me to say that about her. If I was going to say anything at all about her, it would be to offer my condolences for having the great misfortune to be married to one of the most actively malicious, hateful liars I have ever come across.

Regards,
Pahoran

So, as is his wont, Pahoran spends a helluva lotta time trying to convince us that innocent he would never do something like insinuate that some poor schmo's wife is a whore, and then he walks it all back by showing us that he is exactly the kind of person you can imagine doing such a thing.

Well played, doofus.

[_Pahoran]

Kevin,

I would like to publicly apologize on behalf of Pahoran for calling Thunderchop's wife a "whore"

Thank you, Everybody Blows Chunks, for demonstrating what I have said elsewhere: your smarmy "apologies" are utterly insincere. You pretend to be apologising on my behalf, but in fact your "apology" is merely an opportunistic way of making an accusation you have no valid basis to believe.

Pahoran has done real and lasting damage to the Church. Nobody here questions whether or not Pahoran said those things. Of course he did it.

That's a conscious falsehood. I not only "question" the rabid Graham's libel, I flatly deny it.

By "Nobody here" you really mean "None of the bigoted scumbags," don't you?

Pahoran says worse things than this on a daily basis.

Call for references, please. Cite an actual example, from today, of something I've actually posted that is worse than Graham's libel.

Regards,
Pahoran

[_Kishkumen]

But I see plenty of reason for you to lie about it, because you have a history of fabricating false accusations against people you detest.

The notion that I would tell some random stranger that his wife was a whore is simply unbelievable. If I was going to insult anyone like that, I promise you that you, Kevin "Rabid Hater" Graham, would be the number one candidate; but it hasn't even occurred to me to say that about her. If I was going to say anything at all about her, it would be to offer my condolences for having the great misfortune to be married to one of the most actively malicious, hateful liars I have ever come across.

I would say this is bad enough to convince me that you have probably said much worse. You do this much with such ease.