For Pahoran: Did Smith have sex with Helen Mar Kimball?

[_Ceeboo]

Is there any other reason to suppose that he would not have had sex with this particular woman he was married to?

He was 4 hours late because he played another 18 holes with the boys?


Peace,
Ceeboo

[_Chap]

Is there any other reason to suppose that he would not have had sex with this particular woman he was married to?

He was 4 hours late because he played another 18 holes with the boys?


Peace,
Ceeboo

Are you trying to insinuate something improper?

[_Ceeboo]

Are you trying to insinuate something improper?

No.

Are you trying to insinuate that golf is improper?


Peace,
Ceeboo

[_beefcalf]

For the willfully ignorant believers, who, despite the evidence, continue to believe the fairy tale that Smith's marriages were simply 'dynastic' let me ask a few questions:

If Joseph Smith's marriage to Helen Mar Kimball was simply dynastic (for the eternities only) why did he prohibit her from attending youth functions where young men her age might be encountered? Why was she kept from situations where she might have met a suitor closer to her age? Someone who may have wanted to marry her for 'time only'?

If Joseph Smith's proposal to Nancy Rigdon was simply dynastic, with no intent to be consummated sexually, why would Smith feel it necessary to lie to her father Sidney Rigdon, Smith's Counsellor in the First Presidency, about his proposal when he found out about it?

Active and believing Mormons, I am anxious to hear your views on this matter.

[_lulu]

For the willfully ignorant believers, who, despite the evidence, continue to believe the fairy tale that Smith's marriages were simply 'dynastic' let me ask a few questions:

If Joseph Smith's marriage to Helen Mar Kimball was simply dynastic (for the eternities only) why did he prohibit her from attending youth functions where young men her age might be encountered? Why was she kept from situations where she might have met a suitor closer to her age? Someone who may have wanted to marry her for 'time only'?

If Joseph Smith's proposal to Nancy Rigdon was simply dynastic, with no intent to be consummated sexually, why would Smith feel it necessary to lie to her father Sidney Rigdon, Smith's Counsellor in the First Presidency, about his proposal when he found out about it?

Active and believing Mormons, I am anxious to hear your views on this matter.

If one of the purposes of polygamy was to multiply and replenish the earth, why didn't Joseph Smith give it his best shot?

[_moksha]

You don't honestly believe an 18th century horn dog would be able to have so much sex without leaving a trail of children do you? Your only answer so far has been and will be speculation and innuendo.

The interval between the age of menarche and the start of ovulation is a time of infertility.

[_lulu]

My father had but one Ewe Lamb, but willingly laid her upon the alter

Did Helen feel she was being sacrificed?
If so, why?

She (Helen's mother) had witnessed the sufferings of others, who were older & who better understood the step they were taking, & to see her child, who had scarcely seen her fifteenth summer, following in the same thorny path, in her mind she saw the misery which was as sure to come...; but it was all hidden from me.
parenthetical added.

If the marriage was only dynastic, what was this step that was hidden from Helen which her mother could see that would cause so much misery?

[_Droopy]

You don't honestly believe an 18th century horn dog would be able to have so much sex without leaving a trail of children do you? Your only answer so far has been and will be speculation and innuendo.

Why is it so important to you to try establish sexless 'marriages'?

Why is it so important for the critics to establish the opposite?

[_beefcalf]

If one of the purposes of polygamy was to multiply and replenish the earth, why didn't Joseph Smith give it his best shot?

'zackly.

Fact is, Smith broke each and every criterion for the proper practice of polygamy as laid out in D&C132:61-63.

1: plural wives must be virgins.
2: plural wives must not then leave the marriage and be with another man
3: first wife must give consent for additional wives
4: plural marriages are for the purpose of having children.

1- Smith married women already married to men, at least one of whom was already quite pregnant with her husband's child.
2- Many of Smith's plural wives continued to live with their current husbands after their marriage to Smith. Other wives, both prior to and after Smith's death, went on to marry other men.
3- Emma was not privy to a number of those marriages; quite probably she was not aware of most of them.
4- Even with the thirty-something plural wives he married, no offspring have been identified, possibly excepting Sylvia Sessions' daughter.

Further, at no time, and in no jurisdiction, that Mormons ever practiced polygamy, was it legal, meaning Smith also broke the rule laid out in the 12th Article of Faith, which states that Latter-Day Saints obey, honor and sustain the law.

[_brade]

I don't think there's any other appropriate answer to this question then that he probably did, might not have, and we don't know.