Pahoran: Make your case for libel against DCP or shut up

[_Pahoran]

Because Graham has no more reason to believe his disgusting accusation than you have for believing that I "exploit religion like a Catholic priest who uses his calling to abuse altar boys."

But that kind of filth certainly entertains the masses in this sty. And that's all you posted it for, isn't it?

I posted it because I hold it to be true.

Either you are lying, or your bigotry has seriously skewed your judgment.

I find both possibilities equally credible.

I think you are exploiting your religion to satisfy your lusts. You lust to hurt other people,

You are clearly projecting that fantasy from your own mind.

I don't see what is so terribly controversial about the truth. Oh sure, my simile was colorful,

You misspelled "intentionally inflammatory."

As you know -- because you deliberately exploited it -- child molesting is a hot button topic. It elicits an immediate reaction by appealing to our protective instincts.

But as you also know, the people whose prejudices I challenge are not children. And I do not "exploit religion" in my posts. That assertion was a conscious, calculated falsehood.

A lie.

Regards,
Pahoran

[Guest]

As you know -- because you deliberately exploited it -- child molesting is a hot button topic. It elicits an immediate reaction by appealing to our protective instincts ...

I suppose that would be why Pahoran suggested that anyone who says that it seems likely that Joseph Smith had sex with Helen Mar Kimball (a woman to whom he was married) must be a latent pedophile.

But see the relevant thread, which would welcome Pahoran's participation ...

Attempting to continue the discussion here would take the thread off topic. Every time you do that an angel gets a cold.

[_Kishkumen]

Either you are lying, or your bigotry has seriously skewed your judgment.

I find both possibilities equally credible.

Of course you do. You use the words "bigot" and "lie" all the time. One can almost bet that your post will have one of a list of 25 of your favorite "Pahoranisms" which have become about as interesting as the ingredients on shampoo.

At this point I really don't care what you think. You are a laughing stock.

"Blah, blah.. anti-Mormon...blah, yaddy, bigot, yadda...liar, blah, wah, wah... rabid...ya, ya...."

You are clearly projecting that fantasy from your own mind.

Just keep telling yourself that. Maybe you'll convince others. Perhaps even liz! The rest of us? Doubtful. Any fair-minded LDS person who knows your oeuvre? LOL!!!

Well, I think that's asking a little much.

You misspelled "intentionally inflammatory."

Are you blind?

But as you also know, the people whose prejudices I challenge are not children. And I do not "exploit religion" in my posts. That assertion was a conscious, calculated falsehood.

A lie.

I disagree with you. They are God's children. Most of them have entered into sacred covenants at one time or another in their lives. Yet they have been failed. The fact that you are here savaging them relentlessly with your hatred, bile, disdain, lies, and accusations just proves my point. You are the insult to the children of God that seems to know no decent stopping point.

My wish for you, as stated on many occasions, is that you face Church discipline for your continuing attacks on the children of God. When that happens, I'll feel a fresh breeze in Lord's House. I know it.

[_MrStakhanovite]

Why isn't Pahoran providing substance to his claims about DCP and libel?

[_Pahoran]

But as you also know, the people whose prejudices I challenge are not children. And I do not "exploit religion" in my posts. That assertion was a conscious, calculated falsehood.

A lie.

I disagree with you. They are God's children. Most of them have entered into sacred covenants at one time or another in their lives. Yet they have been failed.

And that's where I disagree with you. Some might think "they have been failed," and even more might claim it, but that is at best a matter of perception.

And I don't share yours.

But that is neither here nor there. I'm not here to attack people for their failures. I do not claim any special standing because of any religious position anywhere. The claim that I "exploit religion" has no basis in reality.

The fact that you are here savaging them relentlessly with your hatred, bile, disdain,

Ah, some well-known Kishkumenisms. Did you not pander so slavishly to the prejudices of your audience, you too could be a laughing-stock.

lies, and accusations

Actually I'm on the receiving end of those.

just proves my point. You are the insult to the children of God that seems to know no decent stopping point.

You keep reciting these platitudes. What does "children of God" really mean to you? Do you actually believe in a personal God, and that He has children, or are these merely polemically useful slogans?

My wish for you, as stated on many occasions, is that you face Church discipline for your continuing attacks on the children of God. When that happens, I'll feel a fresh breeze in Lord's House. I know it.

And what evidence do you think should be brought? Don't duck the question by waving a hand at the entire corpus of my posting, but provide examples, please.

The sort of concrete, specific examples as the one I quote in my sig. Can you produce anything that comes down to that level?

Regards,
Pahoran

[_Pahoran]

Why isn't Pahoran providing substance to his claims about DCP and libel?

Thank you for asking. The answer is -- because I don't care.

Regards,
Pahoran

[_Kishkumen]

And that's where I disagree with you. Some might think "they have been failed," and even more might claim it, but that is at best a matter of perception.

And I don't share yours.

Whether you agree with me or not does not excuse the way you routinely treat other people. Nowhere even close.

But that is neither here nor there. I'm not here to attack people for their failures. I do not claim any special standing because of any religious position anywhere. The claim that I "exploit religion" has no basis in reality.

Yes you do. You bring with you your mission to defend the Kingdom, which is tied up in your mind with your covenants. But what you are actually about is savaging people who are already having a rough time of it as you is. You feel like a big man doing it, so you continue.

And that is how you exploit your religion to satisfy your lusts. It's all quite simple.

Ah, some well-known Kishkumenisms. Did you not pander so slavishly to the prejudices of your audience, you too could be a laughing-stock.

Oh, Pahoran, you are talking out of your ass again. I have been in heated arguments with the folks here more than once.

Actually I'm on the receiving end of those.

And it is probably well deserved.

You keep reciting these platitudes. What does "children of God" really mean to you? Do you actually believe in a personal God, and that He has children, or are these merely polemically useful slogans?

Yes, I have faith in a personal God who has children.

And what evidence do you think should be brought?

Your posting history and publications.

[_Pahoran]

Whether you agree with me or not does not excuse the way you routinely treat other people. Nowhere even close.

And how do I "routinely treat other people," Kish?

Do I construct elaborate pretexts on which to base thinly veiled accusations of child molesting?

But that is neither here nor there. I'm not here to attack people for their failures. I do not claim any special standing because of any religious position anywhere. The claim that I "exploit religion" has no basis in reality.

Yes you do.

Your arrogance is exceeded only by your arrogance. I say that I do not. If you disagree, then CFR. If you default again, then your accusation stands refuted.

You bring with you your mission to defend the Kingdom, which is tied up in your mind with your covenants. But what you are actually about is savaging people who are already having a rough time of it as you is. You feel like a big man doing it, so you continue.

The presumption by which you imagine yourself qualified to tell me(!!!) what is in my(!!!!) mind and how I(!!!!!!) feel simply beggars belief.

You are clearly projecting that nonsense from your own mind. Is that how you feel every time you get the mindless applause of the mob?

And that is how you exploit your religion to satisfy your lusts. It's all quite simple.

Those "lusts" exist in no-one's mind but your own. And it really is that simple.

Ah, some well-known Kishkumenisms. Did you not pander so slavishly to the prejudices of your audience, you too could be a laughing-stock.

Oh, Pahoran, you are talking out of your ass again.

An ass named "Kishkumen?"

I have been in heated arguments with the folks here more than once.

And so have I, which is why you presume to disdain me from a great height. Why are you exempt from your own insufferable sanctimony?

Actually I'm on the receiving end of those.

And it is probably well deserved.

So in your mind, I well deserve to be lied about. Kevin will be pleased to hear that. Thank you for demonstrating how your moral compass is dictated by party loyalty.

And what evidence do you think should be brought?

Your posting history and publications.

So, In other words, you have nothing specific to bring.

Thank you for admitting that, however reluctantly.

Regards,
Pahoran

[Guest]

And how do I "routinely treat other people," Kish?

I have described it numerous times on this thread, Einstein. Learn to read.

Do I construct elaborate pretexts on which to base thinly veiled accusations of child molesting?

I don't know, do you? I know I don't. Those who are capable of reading beyond grade-school level will get that much right away.

I guess that excludes you.

Oh, and by the way, that is a clear example of you falsely accusing.

Your arrogance is exceeded only by your arrogance. I say that I do not. If you disagree, then CFR. If you default again, then your accusation stands refuted.

As I said, I offered my case. Anyone who relies upon your naked assertions to determine whether that case is persuasive or not is even dumber than you are.

I repeat: You are using your religion to attack others because you enjoy verbally savaging other people. In other words, you are exploiting your religion for your own personal enjoyment.

The evidence is the years of your hateful, lying, mean-spirited, disingenuous posting. Pick almost any example on any thread on this discussion board and you will have evidence to back up my claim.

The presumption by which you imagine yourself qualified to tell me(!!!) what is in my(!!!!) mind and how I(!!!!!!) feel simply beggars belief.

I am describing what I see. I don't imagine that you will confront your demons in front of us and accept responsibility for your long career of online bullying.

Those "lusts" exist in no-one's mind but your own. And it really is that simple.

LOL. Sure. You love coming here to strike out at other people. It's so obvious.

An ass named "Kishkumen?"

No, I think a little more of this is at work actually:

And so have I, which is why you presume to disdain me from a great height. Why are you exempt from your own insufferable sanctimony?

Oh, I don't disdain you, Willie. I just think your posting and publishing behavior has been on the whole reprehensible. You are a human being like the rest of us, to be sure.

So in your mind, I well deserve to be lied about. Kevin will be pleased to hear that. Thank you for demonstrating how your moral compass is dictated by party loyalty.

What's the lie? It looked to me like people were pretty open about what it is that they remembered. Can you prove that someone has lied about this incident?

Was it Thunderchops who lied? Is it Kevin who is lying? Or are you lying?

It is difficult to tell. Can I imagine you ever going overboard and insinuating something about another guy's wife? Yes.

Do I recall seeing you do that kind of thing specifically? No.

So, In other words, you have nothing specific to bring.

I have many specific things to bring. An embarrassment of riches, in fact. Your treatment of J.P. Holding would be high on the list.

Or is it your contention that Kevin is lying about all of that?

Well, we do have your risible "review" of J.P. Holding, which would qualify as a fair review of his book in the minds of illiterates, cads, and zealots, I'm sure.

Thank you for admitting that, however reluctantly.

Your reading comprehension is deplorable. As further evidence in support of my claim, I refer you to your own review of J.P. Holding.

[_Pahoran]

Do I construct elaborate pretexts on which to base thinly veiled accusations of child molesting?

I don't know, do you? I know I don't. Those who are capable of reading beyond grade-school level will get that much right away.

Oh, I can read well past grade-school level, and I have irrefutable evidence that you do.

Would your respectable academic colleagues approve?

Oh, and by the way, that is a clear example of you falsely accusing.

No, it's a clear example of you lying to cover your own brazen hypocrisy.

Your arrogance is exceeded only by your arrogance. I say that I do not. If you disagree, then CFR. If you default again, then your accusation stands refuted.

As I said, I offered my case.

Based upon nothing but your unqualified mind-reading.

Anyone who relies upon your naked assertions to determine whether that case is persuasive or not is even dumber than you are.

But not quite as dumb, or as spiteful, as you are.

I repeat: You are using your religion to attack others because you enjoy verbally savaging other people. In other words, you are exploiting your religion for your own personal enjoyment.

It doesn't matter how many times you repeat your malicious falsehood, it isn't going to become true just because it suits your spite.

The evidence is the years of your hateful, lying, mean-spirited, disingenuous posting. Pick almost any example on any thread on this discussion board and you will have evidence to back up my claim.

Your "claim" consists of extravagant and baseless assertions about my thoughts and feelings, something you are entirely unqualified to judge.

The presumption by which you imagine yourself qualified to tell me(!!!) what is in my(!!!!) mind and how I(!!!!!!) feel simply beggars belief.

I am describing what I see. I don't imagine that you will confront your demons in front of us and accept responsibility for your long career of online bullying.

When you of all people accuse me of all people of "online bullying," that's downright funny!

However forthright and tactless my manner of posting may sometimes become, I remind you that cowardice is the essence of bullying. Which one of us is prepared to defy majority opinion, Kish?

Those "lusts" exist in no-one's mind but your own. And it really is that simple.

LOL. Sure. You love coming here to strike out at other people. It's so obvious.

You project, as you habitually do; meanwhile, you love coming here to strut and preen.

Snip something you love to kiss.

And so have I, which is why you presume to disdain me from a great height. Why are you exempt from your own insufferable sanctimony?

Oh, I don't disdain you, Willie. I just think your posting and publishing behavior has been on the whole reprehensible.

At its worst, it almost comes down to your level; but not quite. I admit that at times I could do better.

So in your mind, I well deserve to be lied about. Kevin will be pleased to hear that. Thank you for demonstrating how your moral compass is dictated by party loyalty.

What's the lie? It looked to me like people were pretty open about what it is that they remembered.

Yes. Scratch remembered Kevin bearing tales. Kevin allegedly remembered someone with a screen name I've never heard of reporting it to him "in private." This is purely malicious gossip, Kish.

No wonder you're so delighted with it.

Can you prove that someone has lied about this incident?

I don't have to. The accuser bears the burden of proof.

Was it Thunderchops who lied? Is it Kevin who is lying? Or are you lying?

It is difficult to tell. Can I imagine you ever going overboard and insinuating something about another guy's wife? Yes.

Do I recall seeing you do that kind of thing specifically? No.

So you admit that what you can "imagine" is based entirely upon your personal animosity and not upon any actual examples. Thank you for that admission.

Why did it take you so long?

Snip to end.

Regards,
Pahoran