The 2012 Election

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Re: The 2012 Election

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From The Wall Street Journal:

Jerry Brown's Tax Cliff

The second most important election next Tuesday.

The most important single vote in America next Tuesday, after the Presidential race, is Governor Jerry Brown's attempt to stick Californians with another giant tax increase. Mr. Brown and his labor allies say Proposition 30 will fix the state's budget deficit and ward off education cuts. But the real choice before voters is whether to issue Sacramento's incorrigible spendthrifts another blank check.

Two years ago the Governor staged a bow to democracy by pledging that he wouldn't raise taxes without a vote of the people. The truth is he couldn't pick off enough Republicans in the legislature for a tax increase without delivering significant pension reforms, which government unions won't allow. Thus the last-ditch resort to the ballot box.

The Brown-union plan includes a "millionaire's tax" that kicks in at $250,000, three new income brackets for high earners and an increase in the top rate to 13.3% from 10.3% for individuals and many small business owners making more than $1 million. This would give California the highest income tax in the country, leaping over Hawaii's 11%. Oh, and by the way, these higher rates would be retroactive to this year.

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Link: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 79286.html


Proposition 30 has about a 50% chance of passing in California.

Barack Obama is going to beat Mitt Romney in California by at least 16 percentage points.
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Re: The 2012 Election

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Quasimodo wrote:
Bond James Bond wrote:
I think it goes back to when saloons were more prevalent as political centers and were often used as voting locations. The ban was about keeping people even-keeled as well as to cut down on alcohol bribery. But it hurts I can't go get some cheap Manischewitz from Liquor Barn.


No doubt it cut down on politically instigated saloon fights, as well.

Had I know you were going to be in this predicament earlier (and I had your address) I would have sent you a bottle of something a little better than Manischewitz. :biggrin:


Lol well it's my own fault. I have several liquor stores with ten miles.
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Re: The 2012 Election

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Here's my final decision. I'll be bolding as we go along the states I got right:

Bond James Bond wrote:Tomorrow's the day. Go vote:

Obama: 303
California-55 (2008 - Obama)
New York-29 (2008 - Obama)
Illinois-20 (2008 - Obama's home state)
Washington-12 (2008 - Obama)
Oregon-7 (2008 - Obama)
Massachusetts-11 (2008 - Obama)
New Jersey-14 (2008 - Obama)
Hawaii-4 (2008 - Obama)
Minnesota-10 (2008 - Obama)
Maryland-10 (2008 - Obama)
Michigan-16 (2008 - Obama)
New Mexico-5 (2008 - Obama)
Maine-4 (2008 - Obama)
Delaware-3 (2008 - Obama)
Connecticut-4 (2008 - Obama)
Vermont-3 (2008 - Obama)
Rhode Island-3 (2008 - Obama)
DC-3 (2008 - Obama)
Pennsylvania-20 (Obama-2008)
Nevada-6 (Obama-2008)
New Hampshire-4 (Obama-2008)
Ohio-18 (Obama-2008)
Wisconsin-10 (2008 - Obama)
Iowa-6 (Obama-2008)
Colorado-9 (Obama-2008)
Virginia-13 (Obama-2008)

Romney: 235
Texas-38 (2008 - McCain)
Tennessee-11 (2008- McCain)
Kentucky-8 (2008 - McCain)
Louisiana-8 (2008 - McCain)
Alabama-9 (2008 - McCain)
Mississippi-6 (2008 - McCain)
Alaska-3 (2008 - McCain)
Oklahoma-7 (2008 - McCain)
Kansas-6 (2008 - McCain)
Nebraska-5 (2008 - McCain)
North Dakota-3 (2008 - McCain)
South Dakota-3 (2008 - McCain)
Montana-3 (2008 - McCain)
Wyoming-3 (2008 - McCain)
Utah-6 (2008 - McCain)
Idaho-4 (2008 - McCain)
Georgia-16 (2008 - McCain)
West Virginia-5 (2008 - McCain)
South Carolina-9 (2008 - McCain)
Arizona-11 (2008-McCain)
Indiana-11 (Obama-2008)
Missouri-10 (McCain-2008)
North Carolina-15 (Obama-2008)
Florida-29 (Obama-2008)
Whatever appears to be against the Book of Mormon is going to be overturned at some time in the future. So we can be pretty open minded.-charity 3/7/07

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Re: The 2012 Election

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Here's my final decision. I'll be bolding as we go along the states I got right:

Obama: 303
California-55 (2008 - Obama)
New York-29 (2008 - Obama)
Illinois-20 (2008 - Obama's home state)
Washington-12 (2008 - Obama)
Oregon-7 (2008 - Obama)
Massachusetts-11 (2008 - Obama)
New Jersey-14 (2008 - Obama)
Hawaii-4 (2008 - Obama)
Minnesota-10 (2008 - Obama)
Maryland-10 (2008 - Obama)
Michigan-16 (2008 - Obama)
New Mexico-5 (2008 - Obama)
Maine-4 (2008 - Obama)
Delaware-3 (2008 - Obama)
Connecticut-7 (2008 - Obama)
Vermont-3 (2008 - Obama)
Rhode Island-4 (2008 - Obama)
DC-3 (2008 - Obama)
Pennsylvania-20 (Obama-2008)
Nevada-6 (Obama-2008)
New Hampshire-4 (Obama-2008)
Ohio-18 (Obama-2008)
Wisconsin-10 (2008 - Obama)
Iowa-6 (Obama-2008)
Colorado-9 (Obama-2008)
Virginia-13 (Obama-2008)

Romney: 235
Texas-38 (2008 - McCain)
Tennessee-11 (2008- McCain)
Kentucky-8 (2008 - McCain)
Louisiana-8 (2008 - McCain)
Alabama-9 (2008 - McCain)
Mississippi-6 (2008 - McCain)
Alaska-3 (2008 - McCain)
Oklahoma-7 (2008 - McCain)
Kansas-6 (2008 - McCain)
Nebraska-5 (2008 - McCain)
Arkansas-4 (2008- McCain) (which I've forgotten about all this time :P)
North Dakota-3 (2008 - McCain)
South Dakota-3 (2008 - McCain)
Montana-3 (2008 - McCain)
Wyoming-3 (2008 - McCain)
Utah-6 (2008 - McCain)
Idaho-4 (2008 - McCain)
Georgia-16 (2008 - McCain)
West Virginia-5 (2008 - McCain)
South Carolina-9 (2008 - McCain)
Arizona-11 (2008-McCain)
Indiana-11 (Obama-2008)
Missouri-10 (McCain-2008)
North Carolina-15 (Obama-2008)
Florida-29 (Obama-2008)
Whatever appears to be against the Book of Mormon is going to be overturned at some time in the future. So we can be pretty open minded.-charity 3/7/07

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Re: The 2012 Election

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Here's my final decision. I'll be bolding as we go along the states I got right:

Obama: 303
California-55 (2008 - Obama)
New York-29 (2008 - Obama)
Illinois-20 (2008 - Obama's home state)
Washington-12 (2008 - Obama)
Oregon-7 (2008 - Obama)
Massachusetts-11 (2008 - Obama)
New Jersey-14 (2008 - Obama)
Hawaii-4 (2008 - Obama)
Minnesota-10 (2008 - Obama)
Maryland-10 (2008 - Obama)
Michigan-16 (2008 - Obama)
New Mexico-5 (2008 - Obama)

Maine-4 (2008 - Obama)
Delaware-3 (2008 - Obama)
Connecticut-7 (2008 - Obama)
Vermont-3 (2008 - Obama)
Rhode Island-4 (2008 - Obama)
DC-3 (2008 - Obama)
Pennsylvania-20 (Obama-2008)
Nevada-6 (Obama-2008)
New Hampshire-4 (Obama-2008)
Ohio-18 (Obama-2008)
Wisconsin-10 (2008 - Obama)
Iowa-6 (Obama-2008)
Colorado-9 (Obama-2008)
Virginia-13 (Obama-2008)

Romney: 235
Texas-38 (2008 - McCain)
Tennessee-11 (2008- McCain)
Kentucky-8 (2008 - McCain)
Louisiana-8 (2008 - McCain)
Alabama-9 (2008 - McCain)
Mississippi-6 (2008 - McCain)

Alaska-3 (2008 - McCain)
Oklahoma-7 (2008 - McCain)
Kansas-6 (2008 - McCain)
Nebraska-5 (2008 - McCain)

Arkansas-4 (2008- McCain) (which I've forgotten about all this time :P)
North Dakota-3 (2008 - McCain)
South Dakota-3 (2008 - McCain)

Montana-3 (2008 - McCain)
Wyoming-3 (2008 - McCain)
Utah-6 (2008 - McCain)
Idaho-4 (2008 - McCain)
Georgia-16 (2008 - McCain)
West Virginia-5 (2008 - McCain)
South Carolina-9 (2008 - McCain)
Arizona-11 (2008-McCain)
Indiana-11 (Obama-2008)
Missouri-10 (McCain-2008)
North Carolina-15 (Obama-2008)
Florida-29 (Obama-2008)
Whatever appears to be against the Book of Mormon is going to be overturned at some time in the future. So we can be pretty open minded.-charity 3/7/07

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I avoid church religiously.
This isn't one of my sermons, I expect you to listen.
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Re: The 2012 Election

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Okay. Assuming Obama wins the West Coast, HI, NM, NV as expected. Romney must win Florida, VA, NC, OH plus one of CO, IA, or MN.

Plus, he must win Florida by about 130,000 votes to prevent a recount and getting the provisional ballots into play which heavily favor Democrats.

Going to be very a tall order.
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Re: The 2012 Election

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Obama doesn't need Florida to win. It is over. Move on.

Romney on the other hand needs both Florida and OH to stay in contention. Isn't going to happen.
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Re: The 2012 Election

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Here's my final decision. I'll be bolding as we go along the states I got right:

Obama: 303
California-55 (2008 - Obama)
New York-29 (2008 - Obama)
Illinois-20 (2008 - Obama's home state)
Washington-12 (2008 - Obama)
Oregon-7 (2008 - Obama)
Massachusetts-11 (2008 - Obama)
New Jersey-14 (2008 - Obama)
Hawaii-4 (2008 - Obama)
Minnesota-10 (2008 - Obama)
Maryland-10 (2008 - Obama)
Michigan-16 (2008 - Obama)
New Mexico-5 (2008 - Obama)

Maine-4 (2008 - Obama)
Delaware-3 (2008 - Obama)
Connecticut-7 (2008 - Obama)
Vermont-3 (2008 - Obama)
Rhode Island-4 (2008 - Obama)
DC-3 (2008 - Obama)
Pennsylvania-20 (Obama-2008)
Nevada-6 (Obama-2008)
New Hampshire-4 (Obama-2008)
Ohio-18 (Obama-2008)
Wisconsin-10 (2008 - Obama)
Iowa-6 (Obama-2008)
Colorado-9 (Obama-2008)
Virginia-13 (Obama-2008)

Romney: 235
Texas-38 (2008 - McCain)
Tennessee-11 (2008- McCain)
Kentucky-8 (2008 - McCain)
Louisiana-8 (2008 - McCain)
Alabama-9 (2008 - McCain)
Mississippi-6 (2008 - McCain)

Alaska-3 (2008 - McCain)
Oklahoma-7 (2008 - McCain)
Kansas-6 (2008 - McCain)
Nebraska-5 (2008 - McCain)

Arkansas-4 (2008- McCain) (which I've forgotten about all this time :P)
North Dakota-3 (2008 - McCain)
South Dakota-3 (2008 - McCain)

Montana-3 (2008 - McCain)
Wyoming-3 (2008 - McCain)

Utah-6 (2008 - McCain)
Idaho-4 (2008 - McCain)
Georgia-16 (2008 - McCain)
West Virginia-5 (2008 - McCain)
South Carolina-9 (2008 - McCain)
Arizona-11 (2008-McCain)
Indiana-11 (Obama-2008)
Missouri-10 (McCain-2008)
North Carolina-15 (Obama-2008)
Florida-29 (Obama-2008)
Whatever appears to be against the Book of Mormon is going to be overturned at some time in the future. So we can be pretty open minded.-charity 3/7/07

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I avoid church religiously.
This isn't one of my sermons, I expect you to listen.
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Re: The 2012 Election

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Looks like the biggest winner tonight is Nate Silver, and the biggest losers are all the republican poll "unskewers." All that nonsense about oversampling democrats....
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Re: The 2012 Election

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Brad Hudson wrote:Looks like the biggest winner tonight is Nate Silver, and the biggest losers are all the republican poll "unskewers." All that nonsense about oversampling democrats....


Now if only Michelle Bachmann and Paul Ryan would lose...I might celebrate Christmas tomorrow.
Whatever appears to be against the Book of Mormon is going to be overturned at some time in the future. So we can be pretty open minded.-charity 3/7/07

MASH quotes
I peeked in the back [of the Bible] Frank, the Devil did it.
I avoid church religiously.
This isn't one of my sermons, I expect you to listen.
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