Daniel Peterson on Romney's Loss

[_LDS truthseeker]

Peterson should be glad that the MO Church didn't really get scrutinized by the media during the campaign. They totally treated the church with kid gloves. Let's face it Danny, the church got off easy. No mention of how the church can be basically proven to be a fraud: no polyandry, Book of Abraham nail in the coffin, Book of Mormon race issues, temple ceremony strangeness, etc.

Be glad he didn't win Brother Peterson. If he did, the church likely would have got more scrutiny in the next 4 years.

[_aranyborju]

I personally don’t understand why Americans are so viscerally opposed to the idea of secession. The country is divided politically, why not geographically? Would it really be such a big deal? The change would primarily be paper-work.

I dunno. Maybe we could ask Atlanta and South Carolina why we are viscerally opposed to the idea of secession. I'm trying to think of a war....on the tip of my tongue....I think it started with a "C?" Rhymed with drivel maybe? Help me out here guys.

[_Polygamy-Porter]

Oh sweet mother of Lucifer himself!

Danny weeping is the juicy cherry on top of this exquisite dessert from Deseret.

An interesting look at a Happy Valley LDS reaction to Mitt's loss:

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/danpeterson/2012/11/sigh-but-at-least-my-conscience-is-clear.html

And the eternal things, the things that really matter, remain. No government can touch them; they lie securely beyond the reach of the State.

Whooopdee damned do Dano!

With Xmas less than two months away, you best start being good, because Santa Claus is real and he be watching you!

[_sock puppet]

Peterson should be glad that the MO Church didn't really get scrutinized by the media during the campaign. They totally treated the church with kid gloves. Let's face it Danny, the church got off easy. No mention of how the church can be basically proven to be a fraud: no polyandry, Book of Abraham nail in the coffin, Book of Mormon race issues, temple ceremony strangeness, etc.

Be glad he didn't win Brother Peterson. If he did, the church likely would have got more scrutiny in the next 4 years.

Mopologist Extraordinaire, DCP, would have loved the fodder for his screeds in response to the media spotlight that would have been cast on Pres. Romney's religion.

DCP would have been looking at a new article a day posted on Interpreters, not a mere one per week.

As it is, old Mopolgists never die, they just run out of criticism to bitch about.

[_DrW]

I personally don’t understand why Americans are so viscerally opposed to the idea of secession. The country is divided politically, why not geographically? Would it really be such a big deal? The change would primarily be paper-work.

I dunno. Maybe we could ask Atlanta and South Carolina why we are viscerally opposed to the idea of secession. I'm trying to think of a war....on the tip of my tongue....I think it started with a "C?" Rhymed with drivel maybe? Help me out here guys.

Perhaps Ryan is trying to get all his gaffes, glitches, and bad ideas out of his system so they don't hinder him in 2016.

[_Kishkumen]

Well, I find the whole thing really fascinating. I have a number of Mormon conservative Facebook friends who went into apocalyptic mode last night. Not literally, in that they were predicting the end of the world, but certainly they were seeing Obama's victory as hastening the decline of our country.

Personally, I would have predicted American decline in either case. The problem is not in the presidential candidates, but in the entire ruling order and its ideology. There is only so much longer this leaky juggernaut can continue on its last journey before it sinks under the weight of its own profligacy and absurdity.

But that is what empire is all about. It is a turd sweetened with sugar and decorated with lovely icing. Whether Nero or Otho run the show, it will all eventually end up in the waste bin of history, just like every other empire. As Daniel Peterson knows, a Romney presidency was not going to inaugurate an era of righteousness or the full arrival of the Kingdom of God. There is only so much one president can do.

I know he knows that.

[_Uncle Dale]

A fellow named "Ryan" responds:

I personally don’t understand why Americans are so viscerally opposed to the idea of secession. The country is divided politically, why not geographically? Would it really be such a big deal? The change would primarily be paper-work.

WOW.

Let me see here....

Hmmmmm...

If Deseret seceded from the Union tomorrow,
would its "Living Prophet" seize the nuclear
weapons on site at Hill Air Force Base, in much
the same way that Fort Sumter eventually fell
into the hands of Jefferson Davis?

Would the non-Mormons be allowed to leave?

Could the resurgent Deseret form a political
confederacy with Western Samoa?

Would it put Brigham Young's frowning visage
on the obverse of its newly minted gold coinage?

Questions... questions...

UD

[_sock puppet]

Well, I find the whole thing really fascinating. * * *

Personally, I would have predicted American decline in either case. The problem is not in the presidential candidates, but in the entire ruling order and its ideology. There is only so much longer this leaky juggernaut can continue on its last journey before it sinks under the weight of its own profligacy and absurdity.

But that is what empire is all about. It is a turd sweetened with sugar and decorated with lovely icing. Whether Nero or Otho run the show, it will all eventually end up in the waste bin of history, just like every other empire. As Daniel Peterson knows, a Romney presidency was not going to inaugurate an era of righteousness or the full arrival of the Kingdom of God. There is only so much one president can do.

I know he knows that.

I think what you say here is on the money.

[_Droopy]

A fellow named "Ryan" responds:

I personally don’t understand why Americans are so viscerally opposed to the idea of secession. The country is divided politically, why not geographically? Would it really be such a big deal? The change would primarily be paper-work.

WOW.

There's no "wow" about it. Authentic Americans - a substantial portion of the nation and representing, collectively speaking, its best founding and contemporary traditions and values - no longer want anything to do with people like you (the post-American, culturally and philosophically Franco-Germanic influenced Left) and your dreary panalopy of collectivism, statism, moral relativism, nihilism, shallow, self-worshipping materialism, human infantalization, and celebration of polymorphous perversity.

Walter Williams has been discussing the plausibility of some form of secession for a number of years, and indeed, the actual physical construction and organization of various Zion communities across the nation, with the central hub at Independence, Missouri, will be when fully functional, in a sense, a form of secession from the disintegrating mainstream culture, its degenerate social, cultural, and psychological forms, and its nonviable political and economic policies/institutions.

The Left has won. The sixties have triumphed. There is no doubt about that now, so crow and dance on the grave of liberty, freedom (in the sense understood by the Founders and within the context of a free, open, lawful, civil social framework), unalienable individual rights, private property rights, associational rights, freedom of the press, speech, and religion, and the rule of law, all the things the Left, in one form or another, has been trying to destroy or prevent from coming into existence for some two centuries.

The old Left of the thirties, the New Left of the sixties and seventies, and the postmodern Left that is its heir and further development have created a massive shift in attitudes, values, perceptions, and fundamental worldview that the conservative intellectual and grassroots movement is now going to have to face squarely without flinching and fess up the the new reality - no conservative of any intellectual and political substance, no movement conservative driven by deeply and passionately held conservative/libertarian ideas - will ever hold office in the country again.

That time is past.

The Republican party - contra what Rush Limbaugh has been saying for many years now - will, to remain a viable party, move permanently to the center-left. In so doing, a very large minority of the nation will be bereft of a political home and of a party that, more or less, represents its interests, and the interests of the country as a whole (preserving and defending the Constitution, primarily).

American now moves into its new era, a new European welfare state era, and becomes, despite its size and population, much like those states have become over the last half of the 20th century - economically stagnant, militarily weak, effete, decadent, shallowly materialistic, complacently secular, philosophically sterile, intellectually infantilized nanny states controlled by a tiny elite of unaccountable philosopher kings, bureaucrats, government educational and social science "experts," and supported, defended, and glorified by the "the intellectuals" (in Paul Johnson's and Thomas Sowell's use of the term) in academia, media, and the arts.

The great separation and sifting of the righteous from the wicked will now accelerate and become substantially more pronounced, and that separation will - must - become literal, at some point at which the two distinctly different kinds of people can no longer live together as a united body politic.

So be it.