Regarding liz3564 and a CALL FOR MODERATORS

[_bcspace]

Because, like the rest of us you don't have any further information and really don't know fully how they operate

You don't know that.

(maybe I recall that incorrectly).

I certainly don't recall anything of the kind.

So I am wondering if you were made a mod and later contacted by a higher up in the LDS Church chain telling you to divulge the ISP and other 'special' mod information you have about posters here, how is it you could be trusted to keep the MDB confidences in the face of an ecclesiastical telling you otherwise?

I wouldn't divulge. There is nothing I can tell you to prove that. But then again, there is nothing any potential mod, TBM or anti, could tell you to prove it on their part either. How do you know Shades will never reveal your in real life information? You don't. You trust him merely because you think he's like you.

I think the record shows I've been, by and large true to my word. But how do you know it's not an act to help me penetrate to the deepest levels of your anti Mormon cabal? You will never know until the knife is deep in between your ribs......



......or as long as nothing untoward happens.

If you're paranoid about it, don't select me as a mod (not that I've offered).

[_Yoda]

I will say, regarding BC, that I think he would make a good Mod. He has been blatantly supportive of the overall moderating system here, and very much against how they moderate at MDD/MAD. That, in itself, says volumes about his intent.

[Guest]

You don't know that.

I do until you convince me otherwise. You have offered nothing to support such a claim. What does the Church do with the information it gathers? Do they have any other means they use other than a clipping service to gather such information? Either you don't know or refuse to answer. Not knowing actually would make your claims more believable, refusing to answer means you have more information you feel necessary to hide. An ordinary clipping service would not be something members and leadership would need to hide. Holland's evasive response on the SCMC is clear evidence that it is more than just that.

I wouldn't divulge. There is nothing I can tell you to prove that. But then again, there is nothing any potential mod, TBM or anti, could tell you to prove it on their part either. How do you know Shades will never reveal your in real life information? You don't. You trust him merely because you think he's like you.

As I said I would be 99% comfortable with you as a mod, but then I have very little to lose should my information become public.

[_Stormy Waters]

Maybe you could explain how the SCMC works and what information they gather.

In accordance with the scriptures (D&C 123), it keeps track of opposition to the Church. It is simply as described, "a clipping service". No further information from me will be forthcoming. As I mentioned before, I keep my promises of privacy.

Are you claiming to have inside knowledge of how the SCMC works?

Also the idea that whatever it is they actually do needs to remain secret doesn't help their image.

[_sock puppet]

So I am wondering if you were made a mod and later contacted by a higher up in the LDS Church chain telling you to divulge the ISP and other 'special' mod information you have about posters here, how is it you could be trusted to keep the MDB confidences in the face of an ecclesiastical telling you otherwise?

I wouldn't divulge. There is nothing I can tell you to prove that. But then again, there is nothing any potential mod, TBM or anti, could tell you to prove it on their part either. How do you know Shades will never reveal your in real life information? You don't. You trust him merely because you think he's like you.

I think the record shows I've been, by and large true to my word. But how do you know it's not an act to help me penetrate to the deepest levels of your anti Mormon cabal? You will never know until the knife is deep in between your ribs......



......or as long as nothing untoward happens.

If you're paranoid about it, don't select me as a mod (not that I've offered).

I don't know for certainty that anyone with that information would not at some future point misuse it, Dr Shades included. But I think one can up the chances that confidentiality will be maintained by placing his or her trust in those with a track record consistent with keeping the confidentiality AND whose demonstrated inclinations are against those purposes that might entice or tempt a breach of the confidentiality.

For you, bcspace, I am sure that you truly believe that you would not disclose that information because you truly believe you'd never be called upon by LDS Church to do so. Others of us have seen that LDS Church cannot be trusted to refrain from asking, if your ecclesiastical upline were ever learned you had access to the information.

You would not be much a TBM that if asked by your upline to disclose the information to not be conflicted and tempted. And what kind of a TBM would you be if you did not buckle under to them?

So, you see, my concern is the SCMC or some other appendage of the COB would make you choose between your duty to your church, underpinned by your belief of eternal consequences if you do not comply with their request.

Of course, with any Admin and Mods, there is the threat of buckling under legal compulsion or legal threats. However, with a TBM, there is the very real threat of an ecclesiastical compunction too. That's an unnecessary additional risk that can be avoided.

[_Ceeboo]

Hey y'all

In addition to bcspace, I think all of the names mentioned in this thread would be very good choices to be mods.

As for me, I would consider such an honor under the following conditions:

1. Out of respect and appreciation for the many years that Liz has given this board, all members would have to add "3564" to their names. (Ceeboo3564 for example)

2. Atheists would not be allowed to post more than 2 posts in any 24 hour period and each post must be no longer than 12 words in total (Using the quote feature would count against their 12 word limit)

3. Although I will not mention names at this point (a little premature), I would ban a few people on day one and a few more would be on a trial period!

4. JerseyGirl would be allowed (should that be her desire) to be a part of this community again.

5. Believers in a Creator would get special treatment in all circumstances, every time, without exception!

6. Each week, I will terminate the MDB account of one professor or attorney until we reach a professor/attorney percentage that falls below 90% of the total MDB community. I expect this will take several months.

I await my mod approval or rejection.

Peace,
Ceeboo

[_Chap]

Hey y'all

In addition to bcspace, I think all of the names mentioned in this thread would be very good choices to be mods.

As for me, I would consider such an honor under the following conditions:
...

6. Each week, I will terminate the MDB account of one professor or attorney until we reach a professor/attorney percentage that falls below 90% of the total MDB community. I expect this will take several months.

I await my mod approval or rejection.

Peace,
Ceeboo

There may be professors, pastrycooks, podiatrists or attorneys here who do not say what they are. How do you intend to detect and punish them? Otherwise only the honest will suffer for their temerity in adopting detestable careers.

[_MCB]

I don't know for certainty that anyone with that information would not at some future point misuse it, Dr Shades included.....Of course, with any Admin and Mods, there is the threat of buckling under legal compulsion or legal threats. However, with a TBM, there is the very real threat of an ecclesiastical compunction too. That's an unnecessary additional risk that can be avoided.

+100

[_Ceeboo]

There may be professors, pastrycooks, podiatrists or attorneys here who do not say what they are. How do you intend to detect and punish them?

Trust me, I will both detect and punish!

Otherwise only the honest will suffer for their temerity in adopting detestable careers.

Don't you worry, friend...... I got this! The honest and dishonest will suffer, equally and severely, for their detestable careers!


Peace,
Ceeboo

[_Stormy Waters]

I, for one, would probably be amused by Ceeebo's antics as moderator. At least until I was his victim.