The GOP Delivers Yet Another Victory for Tyranny

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The GOP Delivers Yet Another Victory for Tyranny

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A brilliant, passionate, and insightful piece from the American Thinker:

http://www.americanthinker.com/printpag ... again.html

A Few Things I Never Want to Hear Again
By Daren Jonescu

Tired. That is my overriding sensation as I write this. How to bang one's first impressions of hell out on a keyboard? Let us begin a new day, in a new world, with a first principle of sorts -- in this case, a negative principle. Here is a short list of words or turns of phrase that I never want to hear again.

(1) "America is a center-right country." Center and right are entirely relative terms. The "center" between Lenin and FDR, for example, is very far to the "left" of George Washington. And political self-identification is a meaningless standard of judgment, even by meaningless current standards.

Many on the "right" are fond of reminding us that only twenty percent of Americans self-identify as "liberals." I actually heard Brit Hume trying to squeeze this bromide out during the Obama victory post-mortem. But in a nation that embraced a vast social welfare system eighty years ago, and has expanded it continually ever since; a nation that for the past fifty years has moved inexorably towards the locus classicus of socialist egalitarianism, government-controlled health care; a nation that elected and re-elected a man who has openly self-identified as a progressive and advocated wealth-redistribution; and a nation in which the popular culture is dominated by artless harlots, pimps, and gangsters, a "centrist" is a person who embraces social disintegration and authoritarianism. To be "moderately conservative" in such a milieu simply means that one finds the latest music video about teenage lesbian orgies just a little over the top.

America is not a center-right country, whatever that means. It is -- notwithstanding its still-sane minority (which includes almost everyone reading this) -- a socialist-leaning nation that lags behind the rest of the progressive world only due to a slight residual guilt complex regarding all that old Constitution stuff. The events of the past couple of days suggest that even that little bugaboo has now been largely overcome by the majority, for whom most inhibitions about accepting their chains -- and chaining their neighbors -- are now gone.

(2) "Mitt Romney was only the nominee because of a thin primary field." Phooey. He was the nominee because the entire GOP establishment threw everything it had at all the other candidates, in order to guarantee that it would get the candidate most likely to succumb to their advice and direction. As of September 2012, Romney was the only candidate left in the primary field whom no one had ever described as a conservative, let alone a constitutionalist. That, in short, is why he was the nominee.

(3) "Republicans need a candidate who can appeal to moderates." See point 1 above. Appealing to moderates means apologizing to voters for not being quite as forward-looking as Barack Obama. It is to set oneself up as the inferior choice. It is to presume that the moderates are with the Democrat candidate by default, and must be peeled off by stealth.

This election was the last chance to spare America the final degradation of ceasing to be a constitutional republic altogether. That battle has now been lost. The things most needed now are clarity and forthrightness. The danger most imminent now is that, having forsaken the principles of liberty, the nation will simply forget that those principles ever existed. Therefore, from now on, to whatever extent possible, every candidate running against the Democrats in any election must be the most unapologetic, relentless constitutional conservative available. He or she must call out the Democrat as a leftist, a socialist, an authoritarian, and every other simply accurate designation appropriate to the situation. And he or she must be intellectually prepared to prove that case against the Democrat, and to make the moral, constitutional case for individual freedom.

Will this kind of blunt, hard truth lead to victory? Not likely, or not in the short run. The danger, however, is that if the true identity of modern American leftism is swept under the rug in the name of the big lie of "electability" (another word I hope I never hear again), the popular optics will forever belong to the Democrats, who, after all, have actively created a society in their own image and will therefore always appear as the most natural position to their monstrous offspring.

The name of conservatism, and more importantly its proud truths, must never be allowed to slip from the public consciousness. They will do exactly that if the non-Democrat in future campaigns hides from this name and from these truths. Eventually, it will be impossible -- realistically, if not legally -- to run as a genuine conservative. (I do not use the word "legally" facetiously; the more entrenched authoritarian socialism becomes, the more an advocate of liberty becomes a perceived threat to the nation's basic principles.)

The real alternative to leftist authoritarianism (to be labeled as such at every opportunity) must be presented often and with vigor. Politely asking to be forgiven for not being as exciting as one's leftist opponent is the surest path to permanent serfdom. The only way out of this morass is to stand firm on principle and speak proudly of the superiority of one's position. Over time, a new generation may rise up that will find this clear light more appealing than the dull gray of socialism.

Yes, it may take a generation, or more. But it is the only way to victory -- not merely electoral victory, which is meaningless without defining principles according to which one can govern, but victory in the name of liberty, of the American Founders, and of civilization.

(4) "I know he's a good man, and wants what's best for America." I hope this is the last presidential election in which conservatives will have to hear this validate-your-opponent claptrap from their standard-bearer. Barack Obama is neither a good man nor one who wants what is best for America. He is a bad, conscienceless man, who wants to undo America in the name of a very foreign model of social organization. When we say this among ourselves, the mainstream media's dupes do not hear us. A conservative presidential candidate, on the other hand, is the one man who has the national microphones of the mainstream media at his disposal -- the one man, in other words, who has the ear of those dupes. To fail to speak truth to illegitimate power at that moment, and into that microphone, is nothing less than an act of cowardice.

Allen West, who is not a coward, may just have lost his congressional seat. He is losing it in part because he had the courage to say what we all know -- that there are communists in the United States Congress -- and his supposed compatriots in the GOP abandoned him as a crank.

Michele Bachmann -- whom I strongly supported in the primaries -- came within an inch of losing her congressional seat. She almost lost in part because she has had the courage to speak out about a host of constitutional issues, from the debt to the Muslim Brotherhood infiltration of the government, and her supposed compatriots in the GOP quietly refused to support her campaign in the hope that she would disappear, and take her embarrassing hard truths with her.

No more apologies. No more embarrassment. No more veiled language when on the big stage. The left won the day by making the most radical, anti-human irrationalism of this epoch seem safe and normal, while portraying freedom and individualism as the dangerous, radical path.

The electoral battle between leftism and liberty is lost, and perhaps will now remain so for a good long time, regardless of the name of the winning party in any given election.

The moral war, however, is still in its early stages. It is an educational war, which means a war of ideas, which means a civilizational war. It is going to get ugly, and we are going to lose more battles than we win. As you know, however, the ultimate victor is the side that wins the last battle.

"Forward"? Bring it on.
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Go have a nice, hot shower, sit down with a nice cup of steaming hot java, put on your earphones, and listen to The International.

Then you can count sheep - the new sheep of the bright, revolutionary future - as you drift off into your fathomless Lovecraftian slumbers.
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As I've said before, this is predictable. The talk-radio and right-wing press will tell us that Romney lost because he wasn't conservative enough and because of a hostile press. So, watch for the GOP to nominate a much more conservative candidate in 2016--and lose badly.

I think conservatives got overconfident because in 2010, low voter turnout meant fired-up conservatives prevailed. Not so much in 2012. We can sit and cry or grouse, as Droopy has clearly chosen to do, or we can figure out how to express our ideals in ways that make sense to ordinary people.
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If Romney lost because he wasn't Conservative enough, than why did Romney win the States of Missouri and Indiana where Akin and Mourdock lost in those State Senate races?
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Conservatives were overconfident because they've created a parallel universe for themselves. They actually believe most of America agrees with the crap on talk radio and FOX News. Granted, the rise of Right Wing media since 2000 has done plenty to deceive and confuse a lot of people, but at the end of the day, we're still a nation of rational people who can smell BS a mile away.

Just check out the electoral map. The highest percentage of Romney votes come from states like Alabama, Mississippi, Kentucky, Arkansas, Tennessee, etc. States with higher rates of illiteracy and also, ironically enough, dependency on government aid! In the meantime Obama is winning over voters with graduate degrees, and the more educated states like Mass, Conn, etc.

But the delusion festival continues as these folks on the right keep making wild excuses as to why they lost. They told themselves with absolute confidence that this was going to be a landslide victory in their favor. And in their minds Romney losing must be because, as Bill O'Reilley put it, "Fifty percent of Americans want stuff and Obama is going to give it to them."

I used to get upset about these bigoted assumptions, but now I think they should keep thinking that way. Because as long as they keep thinking that way, the longer they'll simply not "get it," and continue to lose elections.

They really do live in their own little world.
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The most important thing for Republicans to remember is that they won't be running against Obama in 2016. This could be very good, or very bad, but either way, it is highly unlikely the Democrats will find another rock star with the personality and draw that Obama has.

As I've said before, the Republicans are the party that picked Bob Dole to run against Bill Clinton. But the Democrats are the party that picked Al Gore to follow up Bill Clinton.
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The personality of a candidate is way down the list of factors that determine the outcome of presidential elections. I can't stress enough that Obama performed almost exactly as forecasting models that don't take that sort of thing into account predicted.
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Bob Loblaw wrote:As I've said before, this is predictable. The talk-radio and right-wing press will tell us that Romney lost because he wasn't conservative enough and because of a hostile press. So, watch for the GOP to nominate a much more conservative candidate in 2016--and lose badly.


Reagan was the last authentic movement conservative that the GOP will nominate in our lifetimes, and probably far beyond. In point of fact, however, and as prima facie evidence that you are no more a serious conservative, intellectually engaged in the conservative intellectual movement or at the grassroots, then I'm a tree frog, we have your criticism above, criticism which has been common within the liberal Republican establishment and among some of its notable pundits and intellectuals (like David Frum etc.) for years.

The "talk-radio and right-wing press" has settled almost unanimously on an interpretation of the loss in which Romney lost, not because he wasn't conservative enough, but because (among some tactical blunders and intellectual nebulousness during the campaign) a clear plurality of the nation is no longer conservative - not even "center-right." Most people, either ideologically, attitudinally, or operationally, in their personal lifestyles and conduct, are now well to the left of the minority - still substantial, but a minority, who hold fundamentally conservative perspectives.

If you had read the essay I posted, you would have seen this interpretation clearly expressed.

I think conservatives got overconfident because in 2010, low voter turnout meant fired-up conservatives prevailed. Not so much in 2012. We can sit and cry or grouse, as Droopy has clearly chosen to do, or we can figure out how to express our ideals in ways that make sense to ordinary people.


This is the hook. Now, "express our ideals in ways that make sense to ordinary people" translates as, "neuter and dilute conservatism so that the liberal majority finds it more palatable." Appropriate liberal ideas, programs, and policies, and modify, edit, and tweak them so that Republicans will be somewhat more electable than the eye-bulging radicals in the Democrat party.

Unfortunately, we just had a Rino Republican who fit that bill nicely lose to an Alinskyite Marxist and a party equal or to the Left of the British Fabians.

The culture that could ever elect a serious, open, and unapologetic conservative is now gone, and its probably gone for good.

That's the reality.
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cinepro wrote:The most important thing for Republicans to remember is that they won't be running against Obama in 2016. This could be very good, or very bad, but either way, it is highly unlikely the Democrats will find another rock star with the personality and draw that Obama has.

As I've said before, the Republicans are the party that picked Bob Dole to run against Bill Clinton. But the Democrats are the party that picked Al Gore to follow up Bill Clinton.


Are you kidding me?

It is going to be Hillary. Write it down. Bank on it. The Democrats have quite a few potential Rock Stars that seem to pop up out of nowhere at times.

But the Republicans can't seem to find a decent candidate anywhere. Who is going to run for the Republican party in 2016?
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