Obamacare: Obama won so I fired 22 employees

[_Kevin Graham]

I'm fairly confident I've paid more in income taxes than you probably will for the rest of your life.

Why do you always resort to that when I complain about taxes/socialism? How much do you make?

You're the one who keeps whining about how your hard earned dollars are going to support these mooching immigrants and lazy Americans who want "free stuff."

I'm just pointing that out, because following your logic, I should have more reason to complain about where our tax dollars are going than you do.

I'm sick and tired of Right Wingers complaining about their valuable tax dollars being spent on things they don't like, as if they're the only ones who pay taxes. Why is it that it is OK to take my taxes to pay for things I don't want, but it is anti-American, or even "socialism" when your precious tax dollars are spent on things you don't want? Riddle me that!

The point is we're already paying for healthcare for other people whether you realize it or not. If my tax dollars are already paying for it, then I want in on it too. And I also want everyone to benefit from it as well. Universal Healthcare would decrease costs and rid us of several entitlement programs you despise already. It works in other countries like France, Japan, Australia, England etc. It can work here as well.

[_Ceeboo]

I'm sick and tired

You are not alone, Kevin.

Trust me on that one!

Peace,'
Ceeboo

[_Darth J]

Nope. Political parties aren't a protected class.

Turns out this varies by local law and job sector. If this doesn't apply in your case, lucky you (if you plan on discriminating based on political affiliation anyway.)

Looks like it's not the first time it's been discussed, and there is good information here:

http://www.linkedin.com/answers/law-leg ... 14-9356514


It looks like it's okay with Nevada state law, so this guy should be okay:

http://www.leg.state.nv.us/NRS/NRS-613.html

NRS 613.330 Unlawful employment practices: Discrimination on basis of race, color, religion, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity or expression, age, disability or national origin; interference with aid or appliance for disability; refusal to permit service animal at place of employment.

"Discrimination of a protected class" is not the issue. The issue is wrongful termination in violation of public policy. Many states recognize an exception to the employment at-will doctrine when an otherwise at-will employee is terminated in violation of clearly-expressed public policy. Generally, this means public policy expressed in statutes, constitutional provisions, or judicial decisions that express an important societal interest. Free expression of political beliefs is one of the most fundamental aspects of public policy there is. Any jurisdiction recognizing the public policy exception would recognize it to be against public policy if certain employees were targeted for termination because they supported a presidential candidate whom management opposed. That would have a substantial chilling effect on political expression like bumper stickers promoting a particular candidate.

[_subgenius]

Really? Do you specialize in being just, you know, wrong?

interesting rebuttal...i appreciate the lack of refutation.
and, of course...
http://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/tu-quoque

[_Jaybear]

Obamacare is a very real issue for my business. My partners and I have been talking about strategies to deal with it. The 50-employee mark is a critical point, and we have some flexibility in our hiring (I use lots of seasonal labor in the summer), so I may have to take drastic steps to stay below 50 employees. Or I may have to pass along the costs to my clients. Or cut my employees' pay.

As it is, if I do nothing it looks like the costs could exceed my total profits for some years! I don't have the money to just write a check for the additional costs.

If Obamacare is implemented as written, it will be a huge, huge problem for many businesses. If the math works out wrong, it will have a huge impact in the willingness of employers to hire people. Especially as they near the 50-employee mark.

My business(law firm) employs about 60 staff members and provides insurance coverage for all full time employees.
I guess its just me, but I wouldn't feel very good about running a business that makes a profit by paying employees wages and benefits that are not adequate to cover their living expenses.

[_cinepro]

I guess its just me, but I wouldn't feel very good about running a business that makes a profit by paying employees wages and benefits that are not adequate to cover their living expenses.

I have many employees who don't make enough to cover their "living expenses". They are part time workers who choose to work fewer hours so they can go to school or pursue careers in entertainment. Other employees get fewer hours when I have less work. These employees are critical to the efficient operation of my business.


I'm still figuring out how Obamacare will effect my part-time employees.

My employees that do make enough to cover their "living expenses" are the ones who work hard and have shown dedication to their jobs. I also reimburse my most senior employees for their healthcare insurance, but I don't provide the insurance directly.

[_Res Ipsa]

Really? Do you specialize in being just, you know, wrong?

interesting rebuttal...i appreciate the lack of refutation.
and, of course...
http://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/tu-quoque

LOL. So I can add logical fallacies to the list of things you don't understand?

You made a simple assertion about me based on no evidence. Telling you that you are wrong is not tu quoque. Not even close.

Maybe you should actually read up on logical fallacies before accusing others of committing them.

[Guest]

shorter Las Vegas business owner (assuming he's even a real person, which is unlikely):
"It's Obama's fault that I'm not competent to run a successful business."

[_palerobber]

“[...] The Dow alone lost 314 points today. There’s a tsunami coming and if you didn’t think this election had consequences, just wait.”

DJIA from Obama's inauguration to today.
+4255 points (+51%)

what a moron -- no wonder his (theorhetical) business is failing.

[_subgenius]

DJIA from Obama's inauguration to today.
+4255 points (+51%)

what a moron -- no wonder his (theorhetical) business is failing.

quantitative easing does nothing for "business"...it just makes you think the DJA is doing well under Obama.
and of course it was not hard since he took office only 4 months after the DJA's single biggest loss in one day (at the time)


Besides since 1906 it was +100 and today it is +4216....hmmm