God Advocates Rape

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Re: God Advocates Rape

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Ceeboo wrote:Hey Chap
Chap wrote: Deities of all kinds are simply imaginary constructs


Would this be similar to an evolutionists imaginary construct of life spontaneously forming from non living material? :wink:

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Kinda like the Big Bang theory, Ceebee?
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Chap wrote:
No. Deities go back to the most primitive level of human imaginings,


Yea, some would even suggest that these "human imaginings" go all the way back to the time when they were created! :smile:

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Hey harmony :smile:

harmony wrote:
Kinda like the Big Bang theory, Ceebee?


Yes, in my opinion the Big Bang is an imaginary contruct!


And who is "Ceebee"? :smile:

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Re: God Advocates Rape

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Ceeboo wrote:Hey harmony :smile:

harmony wrote:
Kinda like the Big Bang theory, Ceebee?


Yes, in my opinion the Big Bang is an imaginary contruct!


And who is "Ceebee"? :smile:

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Ceeboo


Uhuh.

So let's get this straight ...

The universe as we see it is expanding. That does rather suggest, does it not, that we might reasonably try working backwards to try to work out when it could have started spreading out?

And what if we then find the right intensity of cosmic microwave background radiation (you might call it "the last echo of the Big Bang") to fit in with a reasonable interpretation of how long ago that expansion started?

You'd still call that 'imagination'?
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Chap wrote:
Uhuh.

So let's get this straight ...

The universe as we see it is expanding. That does rather suggest, does it not, that we might reasonably try working backwards to try to work out when it could have started spreading out?

And what if we then find the right intensity of cosmic microwave background radiation (you might call it "the last echo of the Big Bang") to fit in with a reasonable interpretation of how long ago that expansion started?

You'd still call that 'imagination'?


Uhuh.

So let's get this stright...... :razz:

The universe as we see it is expanding = The universe was created out of nothing, from nothing, and by nothing......... a very very long time ago with absolutely nothing to cauze this nothing!

Color me convinced! :smile:

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Re: God Advocates Rape

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Ceeboo wrote:So let's get this stright...... :razz:

The universe as we see it is expanding = The universe was created out of nothing, from nothing, and by nothing.........


Did I ever say that?

The suggestion that the universe probably expanded violently and suddenly (a Big Bang) from a state when it was concentrated into a very small space is now quite well supported by detailed data.

That hypothesis does not imply a theory of how the sudden expansion originated. All that is a separate question. You are making the same kind of mistake here that you did when you conflated evolution with the hypothesis that living systems originated from non-living matter.

If all you can do is to make up casual and ill-informed parodies of scientific ideas, you won't convince anybody but the scientifically ignorant.
Zadok:
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Re: God Advocates Rape

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Chap wrote:
The suggestion that the universe probably expanded violently and suddenly (a Big Bang)


Yes, probably BOOM! I get it.

That hypothesis does not imply a theory of how the sudden expansion originated.


My hypothesis does "imply origination" - (A Creator created it. All of it). Perhaps you should consider jumping on board. :smile:

All that is a separate question.


I can surely understand why you prefer that it remains separate.

the hypothesis that living systems originated from non-living matter.


You suggest this is a hypothesis?

If we take a Creator of the table, what other possibilty is there?

If all you can do is to make up casual and ill-informed parodies of scientific ideas, you won't convince anybody but the scientifically ignorant.


Getting mad huh?

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Re: God Advocates Rape

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Ceeboo wrote:...

If all you can do is to make up casual and ill-informed parodies of scientific ideas, you won't convince anybody but the scientifically ignorant.


Getting mad huh?

Peace,
Ceeboo


No. More like losing interest. You seem to be a nice person, but if you just want to post playful stuff on an immensely complex and fascinating topic such as the early history of the cosmos, and then I shall probably let you do it solo.
Zadok:
I did not have a faith crisis. I discovered that the Church was having a truth crisis.
Maksutov:
That's the problem with this supernatural stuff, it doesn't really solve anything. It's a placeholder for ignorance.
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Re: God Advocates Rape

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Chap wrote:
No. More like losing interest.


Fair enough!

You seem to be a nice person, but if you just want to post playful stuff on an immensely complex and fascinating topic such as the early history of the cosmos, and then I shall probably let you do it solo.


:smile:

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Re: God Advocates Rape

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liz3564 wrote:I think that all cultures create God in their own image. :wink:


You'll get no argument from me there. :wink:
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