Jesus did not have a wife.

[_Quasimodo]

Paul is the champion of the gospel of "celibacy" in the New Testament. However, this champion, the one who preaches and teaches this gospel, when searching for the ultimate example of why celibacy is such a good idea can't come up with anyone but himself as that example. Really?!? If Jesus Christ were celibate, I would think that Paul would say that we should be celibate as our Lord Jesus Christ was celibate. The FACT he does not do this is staggering and a devastating argument that Jesus was married. And Paul would known if Jesus were married or not.

Nice theory, Tobin. Except that Paul never met Jesus (unless you are willing to give credence to his account of a momentary apparition on the road to Damascus). Paul knew nothing of the physical man Jesus. I've heard tell that James (brother of Jesus) didn't care much for Paul and thought he was a bit of a jerk.

I've never understood why Christians put so much credence in Paul. Pauline Christianity misses the point of the whole thing (in my very humble opinion).

[_Tobin]

Paul is the champion of the gospel of "celibacy" in the New Testament. However, this champion, the one who preaches and teaches this gospel, when searching for the ultimate example of why celibacy is such a good idea can't come up with anyone but himself as that example. Really?!? If Jesus Christ were celibate, I would think that Paul would say that we should be celibate as our Lord Jesus Christ was celibate. The FACT he does not do this is staggering and a devastating argument that Jesus was married. And Paul would known if Jesus were married or not.

Nice theory, Tobin. Except that Paul never met Jesus (unless you are willing to give credence to his account of a momentary apparition on the road to Damascus). Paul knew nothing of the physical man Jesus. I've heard tell that James (brother of Jesus) didn't care much for Paul and thought he was a bit of a jerk.

I've never understood why Christians put so much credence in Paul. Pauline Christianity misses the point of the whole thing (in my very humble opinion).

I think you are overstating your case by quite a bit. Paul may not have met Jesus himself, but that doesn't mean he didn't know anything about him or didn't meet the other apostles and/or meet with Jesus's widow(s), children, and other saints who had physically met Jesus and knew him intimately. I really can't buy the view that Paul was so disinterested in Jesus and his life after his conversion that he wouldn't have known quite a bit about his life and spoken with the people that knew him.

[_Quasimodo]

I think you are overstating your case by quite a bit. Paul may not have met Jesus himself, but that doesn't mean he didn't know anything about him or didn't meet the other apostles and/or meet with Jesus's widow(s), children, and other saints who had physically met Jesus and knew him intimately. I really can't buy the view that Paul as so disinterested in Jesus and his life after his conversion that he wouldn't have known quite a bit about his life and spoken with the people that knew him.

It's possible that I am overstating. It's very hard to know what really happened two thousand years ago. There is some dicey evidence that he did chat with Jesus's relatives (they didn't like him much, apparently). I don't think there is much evidence that he communicated with the apostles. Paul is often called an apostle, but I think that title must have been self endowed.

To me he is a little like John of Patmos (the guy that wrote Revelations). Many people assume he was the apostle John, but he actually was just a Greek hermit that lived in a cave. Why Revelations made it into the Bible is a bit of a mystery to me.

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GAIA:

Hello everyone -- hope nobody minds if i jump in here --

There is considerable evidence for the marriage of Jesus to at least Mary Magdalene, if not also Mary and Martha, the sisters of Lazarus:

1. No adult Jewish male could reach age 30 and be single, without attracting a great deal of negative attention. Many things were used by Jesus' detractors, many accusations were made against him, but this was NOT one of them.
~Gaia

I holding my breath hoping that Ancient Alien Theorist weigh in.

You see, regardless of Orson Hyde and the divine right of kings or brother Brigham who said that when Isaiah spoke of his 'train filled the temple' that was the following of the many wives of Jesus.

Polygamist certainly had a motive as did uppity European Royalty.

Problem is Jesus was God at the time and God does not take wives neither indeed can they procreate by seed.
The body of God came without father without mother having neither beginning of days nor end of years to it. That is the patriarchy of God and his honor and authority being of himself and not of another. And there is a greater mystery that includes three in one God.

Mary upon changing the swaddling cloth of Jesus would have noted NO scrotum (not a seed bearer) and probably not much to circumcise. No male nipples on his chest. These marks told the prophet and prophetess at his being taken to the temple that this was Emmanuel, God with us, and they rejoiced to see the day. If he were married then why were his friends and neighbors so hateful of him and sought to kill him and take him up to the brink of the hill to cast him down headlong.....why? Because he never returned the affection of the daughters of Nazareth who no doubt were smitten at him.

Hello! The entire point of the atonement is is to enable Christ to conceive his seed by having power to wrought upon us a new creature and give us a new heart from God and making us sons and daughters unto God. Okay!

The Jews were nothing if not fully incensed at him. A freak of nature (they heard the rumors) obviously born in sin, (in their minds) teaching them and calling down upon them in anger for their hypocrisy.

[_Ceeboo]

Hello Quasi

Please forgive my brief intrusion between you and Tobin.

To me he is a little like John of Patmos (the guy that wrote Revelations). Many people assume he was the apostle John, but he actually was just a Greek hermit that lived in a cave.

To suggest that "he actually was just a Greek hermit" is not entirely true, friend.

Indeed, there has been many scholars (past and present), as well as a few ECF's that can be found on either side of this "John of Patmos/Apostle John" debate.

But to be sure, it is, it has been, and I would suggest that it will continue to be a very heated and highly debated subject.

With that said, carry on my good friend!

Strawberry Cheesecake ice cream rocks!

Peace,
Ceeboo

[_Nightlion]

To me he is a little like John of Patmos (the guy that wrote Revelations). Many people assume he was the apostle John, but he actually was just a Greek hermit that lived in a cave. Why Revelations made it into the Bible is a bit of a mystery to me.

Now I am offended in thee Quasi. Get there hastily to The Apocalrock Visitor Center where I will shew thee the error of thy ways.
I have a picture of John and the unfolding of more than fifteen hits from the Book of Revelation, much too sacred for these environs.
It is good scripture or it would not be included in the Holy Mountain of God.

[_Ceeboo]

Hi Gaia

Many Christian women were favoring celibacy

My wife still does!

Blessings - Gaia

Blessing to you too, Gaia!

Good to see that you have joined us here.

Peace,
Ceeboo

[_Quasimodo]

To me he is a little like John of Patmos (the guy that wrote Revelations). Many people assume he was the apostle John, but he actually was just a Greek hermit that lived in a cave. Why Revelations made it into the Bible is a bit of a mystery to me.

Now I am offended in thee Quasi. Get there hastily to The Apocalrock Visitor Center where I will shew thee the error of thy ways.
I have a picture of John and the unfolding of more than fifteen hits from the Book of Revelation, much too sacred for these environs.
It is good scripture or it would not be included in the Holy Mountain of God.

I promise, Night, that If I ever find myself in your neighborhood I will be by for some serious lecturing. I hope you are not too offended.

[_Nightlion]

I hope you are not too offended.

Naw, not all that much.

[_Ceeboo]

Nightlion!

What happened to the Apocalrock link you used to have?

Peace and thanks,
Ceeboo