Black Racist CBS Contributor Flaunts Her Protected Status

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Bob Loblaw wrote: Black children, they said, would cause nothing but trouble, so she should stick with "her own kind."


Yeah, go play with those other in vitro kids and leave us in vivos to our own. There are many petrie dishes in heaven, just not in our neighborhood!!!
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moksha wrote:
Bob Loblaw wrote: Black children, they said, would cause nothing but trouble, so she should stick with "her own kind."


Yeah, go play with those other in vitro kids and leave us in vivos to our own. There are many petrie dishes in heaven, just not in our neighborhood!!!


moksha,

You really are a hoot. I always laugh at your jokes even if I don't mention it online. You're quite clever and quick witted.
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Droopy wrote:You know, Bob (or Buffalo, or Kishkumen, or whoever you actually are), your relentless hatred, bigotry, animosity, and desire for personal conflict almost eclipses anyone else I've ever encountered on the Web. Its really quite astonishing.


High praise from you. :lol:

As to the challenge, although I'm somewhat familiar with Saussure and his theory of semiotics, I've never bothered with Jacques Lacan (although I've read a French philosophy anthology that covered him). Therefore, as you decided to choose a rather obscure, niche academic subject of consideration, I'd have to do some further homework, analyze and critique the concepts presented, the comparison and contrast between them, and come up with a personal perspective. That could take some time.


Lacan is a "rather obscure, niche academic subject"? Give it all the time you need.

If you really think this rather rarefied issue is important, we could have a discussion of it in the celestial (I'm not willing to do it in any other room, if you really intend to be serious).


Looking forward to your posting in the Celestial, though it may be hard for me to be civil, given that I'm such a horrible, evil, bigot. :lol:
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LOL!

Here's Bennett's statement:

On the Wednesday edition of his radio show, "Bill Bennett's Morning in America," syndicated by Salem Radio Network, a caller raised the theory that Social Security is in danger of becoming insolvent because legalized abortion has reduced the number of tax-paying citizens. Bennett said economic arguments should never be employed in discussions of moral issues.

If it were your sole purpose to reduce crime, Bennett said, "You could abort every black baby in this country, and your crime rate would go down.

"That would be an impossible, ridiculous and morally reprehensible thing to do, but your crime rate would go down," he added.


http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/Politics/stor ... KQHI4fAfO4

I know that you're so blinded by your own bias that you're a case study, but it's hard for me to believe that even YOU had a straight face when you typed those words. He was CLEARLY stating his belief that "crime right would go down" if you aborted all black babies. Of course he wasn't supporting aborting all black babies, but he was clearly stating his belief about aborting black babies reducing crime.


And now you have to retreat to your historic fallback position - outright lying - when cornered by your own unread and intellectually shoddy polemics. That, of course, is why you used a secondary source and not the entirety of Bennett's comments, the means by which you hid the context of the statement.

Here's Bennett's own description - for leftists with reading comprehension and/or cognitive processing problems requiring more extensive remedial elucidation - of what actually happened.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/Commen ... 05_WB.html

Let's quote Bennett from this speech, just to get past the self-inflicted learning disabilities that generate the liberal mind in the first place:

Recently on my radio show, Morning In America, I was having a discussion with a caller about good and bad arguments for and against abortion. He said that if we aborted fewer babies, we would increase our Social Security trust fund. I said that’s not how you want to argue against abortion. In the course of this discussion, I hypothesized another argument you don’t want to make, a deliberately abhorrent argument for abortion—that the abortion of black children would lead to a reduction in crime. I did so to show why amoral or immoral arguments for or against abortion are not good arguments. Rather, I suggested, stick to the morality of the issue, not cold calculations reducible to statistical analysis that can be argued both ways. I was putting forward a bad argument to immediately shoot it down. Widely circulated versions of my remarks – for example, on the Today Show, in Time Magazine, on MSNBC, and in a flurry of press releases from Capitol Hill – inaccurately reported what I said during that conversation, and what I meant. They reported or emphasized only the abhorrent argument, not my shooting it down.


And just to make it clearer:

So today, although I cannot apologize for what I said and meant, which when understood in context ought not be objectionable, I regret that people have misrepresented my views so that they have been the cause of hurt, controversy, and confusion. What was presented in some of the media as my opinion would shock me as well; so I cannot blame many people for being mad as hell at what they heard. But such characterizations of my statements and views are not a fair, accurate, or true picture of either what I believe or what I said. In my conversation, I was raising an abhorrent hypothetical—and said so—an idea contrary to everything I believe, and contrary to the record of my life, my work and my writings, including 17 books. Could I have said it better? Maybe. But my position, one of moral condemnation, could not have been clearer. “Morally reprehensible” are the words I used immediately, in the same breath and thought as this ugly hypothetical. What do my critics not understand about the meaning of the words “morally reprehensible”? Do they think it means approval?



You see, Beastie, Bennett has a Ph.D from Harvard in philosophy and the history of ideas. He, unlike 97% of those on the Left (and who are highly overrepresented on this board) is actually a serious thinker, and he is capable of using nuanced, hypothetical arguments in pedagogic ways to make a larger theoretical point. He was making a reductio ad abusrdum argument to make a larger point, something utterly lost on most public school educated Americans and upon most leftists, educated in the same manner but who didn't survive the process as well as some others. This is just another case (the very idea that Bennett himself is somehow a racist is so preposterous as to beg the personal motives of anyone implying such at the outset) of pious, power-fixated leftists offending for a word while carefully avoiding context and intellectual substance while giving a pass to their own when they show their true colors.

There's a long and morally sordid history of this kind of behavior among the Left that is another of those aspects of its culture and ideology that has come to define it, over time, and you've shown yourself, yet again, to be a charter member of that dubious club. This is exactly the kind of intellectually sloppy, disingenuous smear that has come to define and circumscribe pretty much all that the Left has to bring to the marketplace of ideas.

Melissa's comment was actually far more interesting and ideologically loaded than Giles, and there is no question about her seriousness. Giles was being serious too, as you well know, but attempted to hide it behind a mask of laughter. But that's why she said "you know, maybe" with such emphasis. Just as with numerous examples one could show of racist and racially chauvinistic comments and attitudes expressed over many years by black leftists in news and entertainment media (Samuel L. Jackson being only one recent example one could point to) and winked and nodded at by white liberals, there's a "bad" racism and a "good" racism (just like there is "bad" hate speech and "good" hate speech, with leftists able and willing to engage in the later) and the Anointed, of course, can purvey the good kind all they like, as they are, after all, the Anointed.

I'm much more interested in the connection between the eugenics movement and progressivism.

Snore.


That response to this question is the better part of valor, isn't it?
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Droopy wrote: snip spin




Bennett, of course, was caught, as you say, actually saying what he thinks, and had to spin furiously afterwards. That you swallow it hook, line, and sinker without even blinking completely discredits you - as if it were possible to do so even further.

Here's the transcript:

CALLER: I noticed the national media, you know, they talk a lot about the loss of revenue, or the inability of the government to fund Social Security, and I was curious, and I've read articles in recent months here, that the abortions that have happened since Roe v. Wade, the lost revenue from the people who have been aborted in the last 30-something years, could fund Social Security as we know it today. And the media just doesn't -- never touches this at all.

BENNETT: Assuming they're all productive citizens?

CALLER: Assuming that they are. Even if only a portion of them were, it would be an enormous amount of revenue.

BENNETT: Maybe, maybe, but we don't know what the costs would be, too. I think as -- abortion disproportionately occur among single women? No.

CALLER: I don't know the exact statistics, but quite a bit are, yeah.

BENNETT: All right, well, I mean, I just don't know. I would not argue for the pro-life position based on this, because you don't know. I mean, it cuts both -- you know, one of the arguments in this book Freakonomics that they make is that the declining crime rate, you know, they deal with this hypothesis, that one of the reasons crime is down is that abortion is up. Well --

CALLER: Well, I don't think that statistic is accurate.

BENNETT: Well, I don't think it is either, I don't think it is either, because first of all, there is just too much that you don't know. But I do know that it's true that if you wanted to reduce crime, you could -- if that were your sole purpose, you could abort every black baby in this country, and your crime rate would go down. That would be an impossible, ridiculous, and morally reprehensible thing to do, but your crime rate would go down. So these far-out, these far-reaching, extensive extrapolations are, I think, tricky.


http://mediamatters.org/video/2005/09/2 ... t-e/133904

Look at the sentence I bolded. He shot it down by saying it would be morallly reprehensible, BUT YOUR CRIME RATE WOULD GO DOWN.

The reduction in crime rate was NOT what he shot down.
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beastie wrote:Bennett, of course, was caught, as you say, actually saying what he thinks, and had to spin furiously afterwards. That you swallow it hook, line, and sinker without even blinking completely discredits you - as if it were possible to do so even further.


Willful, carefully nurtured and maintained stupefaction for the Cause has long been your forté, Beastie, and it will doubtless long be a part of your inability to think critically or closely beyond the heady, psychotropic fumes of ideology that fill your mind, as with so many other leftists, with heady visions of your own anointedness.

As you are clearly either too utterly dense to understand what Bennett was doing here in making this hypothetical argument, or to psychologically wedded to your own idealized sense of moral sanctity granted to you by your support of the "correct" politics and social philosophy, pursuing elucidation beyond this point, which clearly represents your own intellectual event horizon, is pointless.
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beastie wrote:Look at the sentence I bolded. He shot it down by saying it would be morally reprehensible, BUT YOUR CRIME RATE WOULD GO DOWN.

The reduction in crime rate was NOT what he shot down.


That's exactly what he said, and I can't believe Droopy is trying to deny it.
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beastie wrote:
Droopy wrote: snip spin




Bennett, of course, was caught, as you say, actually saying what he thinks, and had to spin furiously afterwards. That you swallow it hook, line, and sinker without even blinking completely discredits you - as if it were possible to do so even further.

Here's the transcript:

CALLER: I noticed the national media, you know, they talk a lot about the loss of revenue, or the inability of the government to fund Social Security, and I was curious, and I've read articles in recent months here, that the abortions that have happened since Roe v. Wade, the lost revenue from the people who have been aborted in the last 30-something years, could fund Social Security as we know it today. And the media just doesn't -- never touches this at all.

BENNETT: Assuming they're all productive citizens?

CALLER: Assuming that they are. Even if only a portion of them were, it would be an enormous amount of revenue.

BENNETT: Maybe, maybe, but we don't know what the costs would be, too. I think as -- abortion disproportionately occur among single women? No.

CALLER: I don't know the exact statistics, but quite a bit are, yeah.

BENNETT: All right, well, I mean, I just don't know. I would not argue for the pro-life position based on this, because you don't know. I mean, it cuts both -- you know, one of the arguments in this book Freakonomics that they make is that the declining crime rate, you know, they deal with this hypothesis, that one of the reasons crime is down is that abortion is up. Well --

CALLER: Well, I don't think that statistic is accurate.

BENNETT: Well, I don't think it is either, I don't think it is either, because first of all, there is just too much that you don't know. But I do know that it's true that if you wanted to reduce crime, you could -- if that were your sole purpose, you could abort every black baby in this country, and your crime rate would go down. That would be an impossible, ridiculous, and morally reprehensible thing to do, but your crime rate would go down. So these far-out, these far-reaching, extensive extrapolations are, I think, tricky.


http://mediamatters.org/video/2005/09/2 ... t-e/133904

Look at the sentence I bolded. He shot it down by saying it would be morallly reprehensible, BUT YOUR CRIME RATE WOULD GO DOWN.

The reduction in crime rate was NOT what he shot down.


No. He was making a reductio ad absurdum argument and using this hypothetical argument as an example of a bad anti-abortion argument.

But let's assume for the sake of argument that he did mean what he said here in literal terms.

Could he actually be said to have been wrong, as an empirical matter? 51% of all homicides in the united states are perpetrated by blacks, at just a little over 12% of the population. 90% of all violent crimes in which blacks and whites are involved together in a perpetrator/victim relationship is black on white. Well over 90% of black murder victims are murdered by other blacks. Disproportions far larger than this can be found in cities such as New York and Chicago within the categories of murder, rape, armed robbery, and other violent crimes.

Given these empirics, your eugenicist brothers and sisters of the progressive Left of the thirties would most eagerly have sought abortion and/or sterilization as at least part of the solution. Bennett is a conservative intellectual, and believes that culture, not race, is the overriding factor in this kind of disproportionate social pathology. He is also pro-life, which means that he would never consider abortion as a means of birth control (that is the holy sacrament of the Left, not conservatism).
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Bob Loblaw wrote:
beastie wrote:Look at the sentence I bolded. He shot it down by saying it would be morally reprehensible, BUT YOUR CRIME RATE WOULD GO DOWN.

The reduction in crime rate was NOT what he shot down.


That's exactly what he said, and I can't believe Droopy is trying to deny it.



Bennett explained quite clearly and succinctly what he said and what he meant in the speech I linked to.

Denseness is one thing, Carefully cultivated, nurtured, and intransigent denseness is quite another.
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