Inhumane Conditions in Norwegian Prison

[_EAllusion]

Because liberals don't believe in actual justice.

Oh f*** off with this s***

In BCSpace's mind "justice" equates to something like "revenge" and is deemed proportional to the crime. He's mostly disappointed that the spree killer can't be killed 77 times back. One might be tempted to argue why retributive theory of justice is inadequate and poorly grounded, but that over intellectualizes what his posting history suggests is more of a raw emotional impulse.

[_Gadianton]

It's a matter of supply and demand, not morals. Too much wealth, too little crime. With more crime, treatment would get harsher.

I'm aware of the soft Norwegian judicial system due to an interest I had at one time in Norwegian metal. I can't stand listening to it, but it has an interesting legacy. You've got these youth who like metal but think American metal is superficial. So they create their own unique sound and lifestyle that embraces real evil-doing and rebellion. They meet at a record shop to scheme, they go on to burn churches, and eventually there's a downard spiral that includes in-fighting, murder, and a soft sentence for the murderer, who later complained about being treated too well in prison.

The humor in it is something we can't fault the black metal scene for failing to predict. You don't know when growing up how relatively good or bad you have it compared to those outside a ten mile radius. The struggle to be hard core is tough going in a nice society.

[_bcspace]

In BCSpace's mind "justice" equates to something like "revenge" and is deemed proportional to the crime.

Why shouldn't the punishment fit the crime? What about the other crime of sending one's children to a socialist camp?

He's mostly disappointed that the spree killer can't be killed 77 times back.

Not at all.

[_Eric]

I'm aware of the soft Norwegian judicial system due to an interest I had at one time in Norwegian metal. I can't stand listening to it, but it has an interesting legacy. You've got these youth who like metal but think American metal is superficial. So they create their own unique sound and lifestyle that embraces real evil-doing and rebellion. They meet at a record shop to scheme, they go on to burn churches, and eventually there's a downard spiral that includes in-fighting, murder, and a soft sentence for the murderer, who later complained about being treated too well in prison.

Burzum.

[_moksha]

What about the other crime of sending one's children to a socialist camp?

Would you sentence them to watching Fox News without a functioning remote or moisturizer?

[_subgenius]

But for those who consider the death penalty as a deterrent, consider that Norway's murder rate is .6 per 100,000. The United States' rate is 4.2, seven times higher.

correlation is not causation - and that type of statistic mining is such a growing ailment in our society, it clouds people's minds into thinking that "we should be like the Norwegians"....or "we should be more like the Jones family"....the grass is always greener.....over the septic tank.

The murder rate in the US could possibly be higher were it not for the death penalty in some states. Your comparison is nonsense.
Obviously the US notion of what constitutes a "murder' could have a lower threshold than Norway.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_(Norwegian_law)

The real reason for Norway having a lower murder rate could be from having a Constitutional Monarchy government....?

Nevertheless...Norway banned the death penalty in 1979.
Globally speaking, when disregarding armed conflicts (military), men 15-29 are the most murderous - which would explain some African countries lower rates since many are in military service or in hiding and beyond statistical detection. Urbanization is also an important factor...dare i say that the USA has more Urbanized areas than Norway?...etc..

[_Bob Loblaw]

[Why shouldn't the punishment fit the crime? What about the other crime of sending one's children to a socialist camp?

Is that a capital offense? What about the crime of making one's children sit through three hours of indoctrination every Sunday into a bogus religion that will suck them dry?

[_subgenius]

One might be tempted to argue why retributive theory of justice is inadequate and poorly grounded

give in to that temptation and do this anyway...i have not had a good laugh all day.

[_EAllusion]

A Spokane police officer who beat a mentally retarded janitor to death after falsely thinking he stole from an ATM was just sentenced for his crime he committed in 2006.

He got four years in prison.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/1 ... lp00000003

The vicitim's dying words were ""All I wanted was a Snickers bar."

'Murica.

If you follow criminal justice cases against police crimes at all, what's extraordinary about this is that get got any time at all. That he didn't just receive a paid suspension, which is typical when police commit major felonies against citizens, feels like a victory. The other officers who hogtied the mentally retarded man, put a rubber mask over his mouth, sat on him until he fell into a coma, and later tried to engage in an extensive cover-up had penalties along those lines.

Yet Norway has a soft on crime problem. I guess it depends on who is committing the crimes.

[_EAllusion]

If anyone wants to see police officers beat a homeless, schizophrenic man to death - just 'cause - there's a video of that here:

http://vine.rottentomatoes.com/vine/sho ... ?t=2270761

Try not to cry as you watch the man cry out for his father with his dying breaths.

The police department attempted to cover this one up too. An officer involved bragged about it to a local radio station before a public video was leaked.

I guarantee you this will eventually result in slaps on the wrist. If you or I did it, we'd never see life outside prison walls again.

(Here's a direct link to the video. I caution you it is not an easy to thing to watch: http://www.pixiq.com/article/shocking-v ... th-caution)