Apocalyptic worldviews and current events

[_Tobin]

Hamas has been spending years surrounding Israel by 10's of thousands of rockets and long range mortars. Israel knows this too. I don't see an apolcalypic result from this, but there is always the danger of an over-reaction by both sides. If Israel occupies Gaza, Hamas will likely use everything they have on Israel. In return, Israel may have to extensively bomb or invade southern Lebanon as well and this won't go over well in the Arab world.

Personally, I'd love to see the Israelis leave Israel. The demographics are against them and it is so lopsided that one day the Arab world will just wipe them out. The resulting nuclear holocaust won't be pleasant and it would in everyone's best interest to just give them all of North Dakota. Nobody would fight them over it.

[_Tchild]

While an active member of the LDS faith, I had believed that end time events would center around Israel and I can only imagine how easy it would be for someone to wonder: Is this the time? I think I might have at one point in my life.

Combine this with Romney’s defeat last week and the accompanying sense many have of American decline, not to mention the fiscal cliff hysteria, and it seems more than a few people might suddenly find themselves deciding it is time to get right with God and freshen up the food storage inventory. Or, maybe, convert to the Mayan religion…there’s a month left for that kind of death bed repentance.

So, regardless of whether you’re a never-mo, a current believer, a NOM, or have left the church - do you see anything significant in current events that is foreshadowing some cosmic shake-up of the status quo?

And second, is it wrong for humans to try and change events if doing so might postpone the second coming (if you're inclined to believe in such)?

As a believing LDS member, of course I literally believed in a second coming event, with all the accompanying "trials and tribulations" of the last days.

Now, I am absolutely certain that there never will be a literal Mormon or Christian style, second coming...never, ever, ever X a billion. Perhaps there may be some sort of "awakening" of a more peaceful, evolved human consciousness? Something that transcends the limited and now wholly insane human ego that is never sated and seeks through violence to protect itself. That sure would be swell I think.

There may be an upset in the "status quo", perhaps relating to a dollar collapse or loss of confidence in the fiat, debt-as-money monetary system, some natural disaster, worldwide pandemic or war(s), but life will continue on year after year, decade after decade, century after century.

No matter what horror unfolds to some humans someplace, in another place simultaneously, there will be peace, prosperity and happy folks. The cycle of life will keep churning along.

[_moksha]

How many of us cannot see that bribes, to the majority of the American voting populace with promises of free loot, constituted the breaking of Seal #5.5?

It is time we place Sister Henny Penny on full alert. Temple Squadrons to Defcon #3.

[_Quasimodo]

How many of us cannot see that bribes, to the majority of the American voting populace with promises of free loot, constituted the breaking of Seal #5.5?

It is time we place Sister Henny Penny on full alert. Temple Squadrons to Defcon #3.

In my religious ignorance, I'm totally unaware of how the seals were numbered. Still your observation about free loot, not to mention the re-election of an unvaliant, Nazi, Stalinist, Muslim from Africa convinces me we are in the end times.

Of course the installation of Nero as Roman Emperor also pointed to the end times. I guess it may take a few more thousand years for it all to play out. Just in case, I'm maxing out my credit cards.

[_honorentheos]

Now, I am absolutely certain that there never will be a literal Mormon or Christian style, second coming...never, ever, ever X a billion. Perhaps there may be some sort of "awakening" of a more peaceful, evolved human consciousness? Something that transcends the limited and now wholly insane human ego that is never sated and seeks through violence to protect itself. That sure would be swell I think.

Amen, brother. Amen.

There may be an upset in the "status quo", perhaps relating to a dollar collapse or loss of confidence in the fiat, debt-as-money monetary system, some natural disaster, worldwide pandemic or war(s), but life will continue on year after year, decade after decade, century after century.

No matter what horror unfolds to some humans someplace, in another place simultaneously, there will be peace, prosperity and happy folks. The cycle of life will keep churning along.

Well said.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

So, regardless of whether you’re a never-mo, a current believer, a NOM, or have left the church - do you see anything significant in current events that is foreshadowing some cosmic shake-up of the status quo?

Nope. Islamic law under the four major ulemas mandate Israel, as a state, be destroyed. Islam itself mandates the subjugation of all non-Believers with a special emphasis on Jews. What this means is there will be perpetual warfare (as mandated by Islamic Jihad against the non-Believer). So. Nothing will change, and no, despite the Christian fantasies of Armageddon we'll simply continue to play a proxy war with other states. The only way I see anything significantly changing is a nuclear weapon being deployed by Iranian or Saudi proxies (most likely Iran at this point).

And second, is it wrong for humans to try and change events if doing so might postpone the second coming (if you're inclined to believe in such)?

No. We have a moral obligation to stop a bloodthirsty god like Jehovah from ever reigning his terror and totalitarianism on this earth. Where's Hellboy when you need him?

V/R
Dr. Cam

[_ludwigm]

Apocalypse?

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/ne ... llage.html

Thousands of "weirdos" believe Bugarach, south west France will be the only place they will survive if the world ends on December 21.

They say a nearby mountain contains a garage for UFOs that will whisk them to safety "in another dimension" while the rest of the planet perishes.

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Regional prefect Eric Freysselinard has now issued an order barring anyone from climbing the mountain, in the foothills of the Pyrenees, on "Doomsday".

He said: “It will be closed off for three days before and two days after the world is supposed to end.”

Earlier this year, France’s Mission for the Fight against Sects also placed Bugarach under scrutiny due to concerns over possible mass suicides.

And it warned people in a report not to be taken in by "New Age clap-trap" being peddled by cult leaders.

Their report also stressed that December 21, 2012, would be the 183rd time the world had been predicted to end in the last 2,000 years.

The coming date has been predicted by Mexico’s ancient Mayan calendar, which says the world will be destroyed by solar flares and a collision with another planet.

1. They shouldn't close the place two days after doomsday.
2. I am optimistic. I don't care the 183rd end of world - after survived the previous 182.


And You can see here pictures about the place:
[#img] http://www.sudouest.fr/images/2012/11/1 ... 60x306.jpg[/img]
[#img] http://doubtfulnews.com/wp-content/uplo ... garach.jpg[/img]

You can not see them? Damn...

[_Philidel]

Now, I am absolutely certain that there never will be a literal Mormon or Christian style, second coming...never, ever, ever X a billion. Perhaps there may be some sort of "awakening" of a more peaceful, evolved human consciousness? Something that transcends the limited and now wholly insane human ego that is never sated and seeks through violence to protect itself. That sure would be swell I think.

Amen, brother. Amen.

There may be an upset in the "status quo", perhaps relating to a dollar collapse or loss of confidence in the fiat, debt-as-money monetary system, some natural disaster, worldwide pandemic or war(s), but life will continue on year after year, decade after decade, century after century.

No matter what horror unfolds to some humans someplace, in another place simultaneously, there will be peace, prosperity and happy folks. The cycle of life will keep churning along.

Well said.

Agree. Well said.

[_Gunnar]

I can't help but believe that one of the biggest impediments to resolving this conflict and other similar conflicts is that there are power-mad, avaricious, wealthy and highly influential individuals and groups on both sides of the conflict, plus third parties (arms dealers and manufacturers, for example) who benefit materially from its continuation, and couldn't care less about how many people are hurt and killed by it.

[_honorentheos]

About a year ago, my daughter came home from elementary school completely distraught over hearing that the world was going to end on Dec. 21st, 2012. We talked about it a couple of times and nothing I said seemed to break her of this conviction. It seems that some of her friends had bought into this and, for fun or belief, had convinced one another that the end was coming and there was nothing to be done about it. She was literally crying the first time she started telling us about it.

I found a video on youtube for her to watch featuring Neil deGrasse Tyson talking about the astromonic realities and how nothing abnormal was going to happen. She started to reflect on what he said and, as she though about it, came to her own conclusions that there was no reason to be scared. Last week, she told me there were still a couple of kids who were convinced the world was going to end but that they would probably be the happiest kids on Christmas Day. Apparently it's a good thing to wake up having thought you might not...and then there be presents under the tree! Of course, if their parents buy into the 2012 Mayan end of times beliefs...maybe not so much.

I contrast that to how I think my parents would have addressed it. I can practically hear my mom reading the scripture to me, "But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father."

Maybe the immediate effect would have been the same. But long term?