Romney goes Nuts after Lose and (link)

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Re: Romney goes Nuts after Lose and (link)

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ajax18 wrote:
They just say innane things that appeal to racists.


The Democratic party appeals to Hugo Chavez. Does that mean Democrats are communist?


Ajax, wouldn't it be better to admit that you're just a little racist than to carry on this charade?

I remember your recent post that you and your wife had decided to have white babies to even things out. I think it's great if you two have decided to have children, but your reason for doing so is about as racists a thing as I can think of.

You're really not fooling anyone.
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Re: Romney goes Nuts after Lose and (link)

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Sethbag wrote:And I'm sure I could dig up plenty more. But the main point is that I've heard people say this, in person. And I've heard plenty of other people say things about Obama that were dripping with barely-concealed racism.


Suppose in 2016 these people were faced with a choice between Biden on the Democrat ticket, and Condoleezza Rice on the Republican ticket. How many of them wouldn't vote for Rice because she is black?

I know a lot of people who hate Obama, and Obama is black, so I can understand if some of their hate gets expressed in racist terms. If Hillary Clinton were President, I suspect these same people would be "sexist". If the President were Jewish and supported liberal policies, they would be considered anti-semite.

But when it comes to the issue of the President's race, we can also take our cues from how black people look at him as well. For example:

Another esteemed outspoken former supporter of President Obama, Cornel West, a Princeton University professor, has come out strongly opposing many of the positions the president has taken. Dr. West, who campaigned vigorously for the Obama, recently said of Mr. Obama, he is “a black mascot of Wall Street oligarchs and a black puppet of corporate plutocrats.”

http://www.laprogressive.com/black-lead ... hEYSE.dpuf


If black activists look at Obama and have certain expectations based on his skin color, then any antipathy felt by non-blacks based on those same expectations might be understandable. In a perfect world, neither group would care about the President's skin color, but this isn't a perfect world.

But to try and reduce the problems many conservatives have with Obama to being rooted in race issues ignores the larger issues that are there (and overstates the degree to which racism is a factor in such problems).
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Re: Romney goes Nuts after Lose and (link)

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Ajax, wouldn't it be better to admit that you're just a little racist than to carry on this charade?


I'll admit that I've been racist in the past. But most of that is out of a knee jerk anger reaction to fraudulent and extremly petty accusations of racism like this one that I've been badgered with since I was 6 years old. But I'm trying to move away from that. It's not who I am, and I'm tired of letting other people define me. It's certainly not at all who I am in real life.

Whatever racist and visceral views I have, it's not the reason I hate the policies of Barack Obama. You really need to be careful continuing to throw around the "R" word for such petty stuff like this. You only get so many OJ Simpson cases before it can start to backfire on you.

It seems like every time liberals start to lose ground in an argument, they pull out the "R" word like it's their ultimate weapon. You're not making people less racist by doing that. I think the fact that the left is always bringing up racism first is very telling. You're not trying to heal America. You're trying to win an argument and play on the tribal emotions of the people in your coalition. I understand if that's your goal, but you don't have any right to claim any moral high ground on this issue.
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Re: Romney goes Nuts after Lose and (link)

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ajax18 wrote:
They just say innane things that appeal to racists.


The Democratic party appeals to Hugo Chavez. Does that mean Democrats are communist?


Hugo Chavez is a socialist, not a communist.
I don't know if the Democratic party appeals to Chavez, but if it does, it would likely be because its policy are more socialistic, ie providing food, medical care, and education for the poor and elderly.
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