Gay Parents: 11 x more likely to molest and other "goodies"

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Re: Gay Parents: 11 x more likely to molest and other "goodi

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Yahoo Bot wrote: It is amazing that you and others wish to thrash me with a study with which I disagree. I'm just going off the thread title.


I criticized you because, in your own words, you said: "somebody has finally come up with a statistical study which says that children of gay parents are at a higher risk of abuse or whatever than straight parents."

The study, as you well know, did not compare children of gay parent to similarly situated children of straight parents.

Ergo, its misleading for you to point to this study and say: "somebody has finally come up with a statistical study which says that children of gay parents are at a higher risk of abuse or whatever than straight parents."

The report itself is great because it tackles an issue that needed tackling. ...


Unless LDS bishops and others are still encouraging gay men to marry and have childen with LDS women, then I don't see that the report tackled an issue that needed tackling.
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I really wish somebody who really believed that gay parents are risks to children would step forward and take the defense against these fools -- the three above -- just so they can get off my case.

The report is interesting; it is timely; it is provocative. I don't agree with it. I think Freud's writings are interesting, provocative and years ago I read them. I don't agree with his writings, especially all of his dream nonsense.

I don't think gay parents are risks to children, whether both are gay or one is gay in a mixed marriage. I have seen reports to the contrary, and agree with them.

I don't agree that bishops should counsel gays to marry straight women to bring themselves in compliance with the gospel. But, I note, that that kind of marriage is done ALL THE TIME in the church, and those priesthood leaders who hear confessions know it is done ALL THE TIME in the church, and homosexuals have been called to significant functioning positions in the church -- bishops and stake presidents and, I suspect, general authorities. I know of them personally (I've never been in position to hear their confessions, so what I say is not confidential). I have heard their struggles, their temptations, and I know that they are beloved leaders in their wards and stakes.

There are some who can't grin and bear it, and fail. If I were tallying things from my own perspective, I'd say that homosexuals in the Church who wish to be active in the Church vastly outnumber those who fail and have failed marriages. But, there aren't studies that can support that. Similarly, out of the church there are many men who are gay and choose to be married to persons of the opposite sex. Too many sociological studies discussing that phenomenon.

The Church and its priesthood structure do not have a monopoly on gay men who marry straight women, nor are Mormon men the only ones who receive counsel to undergo conversion therapy from their pastors, and all that goes with that.

Jesus says, follow him and keep my commandments. And some or many gays want to do that. You don't hear from them, but their priesthood leaders do.
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Yahoo Bot wrote:The report is interesting


Crap science is not "interesting". It is a waste of time, especially on the part of those whose duty is to check it out to see if there is anything worth while in it.

The only interesting thing round here is the unanswered question: is there any reason, apart from wanting to waste opponents' time, that Yahoo Bot would persist in trying to find positive things to say about this piece of intellectual refuse?

No, I thought not.
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Chap wrote:
Yahoo Bot wrote:The report is interesting


Crap science is not "interesting". It is a waste of time, especially on the part of those whose duty is to check it out to see if there is anything worth while in it.

The only interesting thing round here is the unanswered question: is there any reason, apart from wanting to waste opponents' time, that Yahoo Bot would persist in trying to find positive things to say about this piece of intellectual refuse?

No, I thought not.



Well, I like to read. I read what is interesting, even if I disagree with it. You, on the other hand, if isn't in the shape of a video case, you aren't interested.
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Yahoo Bot wrote:I don't agree that bishops should counsel gays to marry straight women to bring themselves in compliance with the gospel. But, I note, that that kind of marriage is done ALL THE TIME in the church, and those priesthood leaders who hear confessions know it is done ALL THE TIME in the church, and homosexuals have been called to significant functioning positions in the church -- bishops and stake presidents and, I suspect, general authorities. I know of them personally (I've never been in position to hear their confessions, so what I say is not confidential). I have heard their struggles, their temptations, and I know that they are beloved leaders in their wards and stakes.

There are some who can't grin and bear it, and fail. If I were tallying things from my own perspective, I'd say that homosexuals in the Church who wish to be active in the Church vastly outnumber those who fail and have failed marriages. But, there aren't studies that can support that. Similarly, out of the church there are many men who are gay and choose to be married to persons of the opposite sex. Too many sociological studies discussing that phenomenon.


Thanks. I found your observations, quite interesting.
I suspect that these kind of marriages are now far less common. Only twenty years ago, gays were social pariahs. Now for someone in their 20s, its more fashionable to be gay than to be Mormon.
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Re: Gay Parents: 11 x more likely to molest and other "goodi

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Jaybear wrote:... its more fashionable to be gay than to be Mormon.


It is just statistically far more likely too.

Isn't that a nice thought to leave us with?

Thanks jaybear.
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Re: Gay Parents: 11 x more likely to molest and other "goodi

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It is good data only if it supports your position.

It is a good statistical report only if it supports your position.

It is good research only if your side is paying for it.

Everything else is garbage.

Just sayin.
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Fence Sitter wrote:If I were arguing a case in front of a jury where the preponderance of factual evidence was against me, I would present flawed data that lent weight to my side, acknowledge the data had problems but back it up with anecdotal testimony of why it was okay to dismiss those flaws. Then I would pretend that any criticism of my flawed data was a personal attack on me and point to my own data to show how all data is bad. Maybe even throw in a catchy phrase or two.

"If the data does not fit, you must acquit."
"If you've seen one bad study you have seen them all."


would you bring up cold fusion?
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palerobber wrote:would you bring up cold fusion?


Only to udder fools.
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Yahoo Bot wrote:I really wish somebody who really believed that gay parents are risks to children would step forward and take the defense against these fools -- the three above -- just so they can get off my case.

The report is interesting; it is timely; it is provocative. I don't agree with it. I think Freud's writings are interesting, provocative and years ago I read them. I don't agree with his writings, especially all of his dream nonsense.

I don't think gay parents are risks to children, whether both are gay or one is gay in a mixed marriage. I have seen reports to the contrary, and agree with them.

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i think that what you are saying here would be perfectly reasonable, if the OP had been about a different study -- a study which was a serious attempt to consider the outcomes of children raised by gay vs. hetero parents, though perhaps containing some unintended bias or methodological shortcomings which people on different sides of the gay marriage debate could then argue about in good faith.

i can certainly imagine such a study, but the study referenced in the OP is quite clearly not it. and if you would simply acknowledge that fact then you could stop struggling to explain yourself and others could stop accusing you of trolling and/or talking out of both sides of your mouth.
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