Liahona Irreantum Rabbanah deseret

[_Mittens]

If it a scriptural Book ?

teachings of Mormons not found in Book of Mormon, The Articles of Faith “ Mormon Creed” or Bible.

1. The plurality of Gods (Mormon Doctrine pp. 576, 577)
2. The baptism for the dead done in holy temples (Mormon Doctrine pp. 72,73)
3. Celestial marriage which no unworthy member or outsider can attend (Mormon Doctrine pp. 117, 118)
4. Polygamy needed to become a God (Journal of Discourse, Vol. II p. 269)
5. Blacks were cursed with a dark skin (Mormon Doctrine p. 109)
6. You can become a God if you are worthy; celestial marriage required (Mormon Doctrine p. 118)
7. We were all pre-existent spirits (Mormon Doctrine p. 589)
8. God has a body of flesh and bones (Mormon Doctrine p. 289)
9. We have a Heavenly Mother as well as a Heavenly Father (Mormon Doctrine p. 516)
10. There are three levels of heaven. To go to the highest kingdom, you must be a Mormon. Honorable persons go to the Terrestrial kingdom. The dishonest, liars, sorcerers, adulterers and whoremongers go to the Telestial kingdom. (Mormon Doctrine pp. 420, 421)
11. God and his wife achieved a celestial marriage (Celestial Marriage Manual p. 1)
12. Heavenly Father died just like Jesus (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith p. 346)
13. God was once just like us and progressed to godhood (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith p. 345)
14. God has a father and His Father has a Father, etc. (Mormon Doctrine p. 322)
15. Jesus and Lucifer are spirit brothers (Mormon Doctrine p. 192)
16. Jesus and Lucifer each had a plan to people the earth. Jesus' plan was chosen and caused Lucifer to rebel and he and the angels that followed him were cast out of heaven. (Mormon Doctrine p. 193)
17. God lives near a star called Kolob (Mormon Doctrine p. 428)
18. Temple endowments are so sacred that you must be worthy to enter (Mormon Doctrine pp. 619, 620)
19. Jesus was not able to keep his church together (History of the Church Vol. 6 pp. 408, 409)
20. In the future, you will need Joseph Smith's consent in order to enter the celestial kingdom (Journal of Discourse Vol. 7 p.289)
21. Not everything you'll need to know concerning salvation will be recorded in the Bible but there will be additional scriptures (Mormon Doctrine p. 83)"

[_Mittens]

http://www.mormonhandbook.com/home/thomas-stuart-ferguson.html

Thomas Stuart Ferguson was the big deal in the 1970s when I first investigated Mormonism

Ah Mittens, are you ever going to respond to your critics and stop posting up non-sense like the stuff above?

1) The Book of Mormon is a scriptural book, not historical. Finding archeological evidence of where it took place requires that we know where to look in the first place!

2) The Book of Abraham, as I have often discussed, is not a translation of the corrupt Egyptian papyrus. It is the restoration of the orginal writings of Abraham.

3) The REASON Ferguson lost his faith is he went about it in all the wrong ways. The Book of Mormon asks us to seek God and speak with God face-to-face. That is how we know Joseph Smith told the truth. We don't believe Joseph Smith because of what he claimed. Of course it could be a fraud (and an obvious one at that). We believe him because God tells us to.

Is that the god of this world that told you

[_Tobin]

Is that the god of this world that told you

Why don't you ask him and find out? The Book of Mormon asks you to, if you ever bother to read it.

[_Tobin]

If it a scriptural Book ?

teachings of Mormons not found in Book of Mormon, The Articles of Faith “ Mormon Creed” or Bible.

1. The plurality of Gods (Mormon Doctrine pp. 576, 577)
2. The baptism for the dead done in holy temples (Mormon Doctrine pp. 72,73)
3. Celestial marriage which no unworthy member or outsider can attend (Mormon Doctrine pp. 117, 118)
4. Polygamy needed to become a God (Journal of Discourse, Vol. II p. 269)
5. Blacks were cursed with a dark skin (Mormon Doctrine p. 109)
6. You can become a God if you are worthy; celestial marriage required (Mormon Doctrine p. 118)
7. We were all pre-existent spirits (Mormon Doctrine p. 589)
8. God has a body of flesh and bones (Mormon Doctrine p. 289)
9. We have a Heavenly Mother as well as a Heavenly Father (Mormon Doctrine p. 516)
10. There are three levels of heaven. To go to the highest kingdom, you must be a Mormon. Honorable persons go to the Terrestrial kingdom. The dishonest, liars, sorcerers, adulterers and whoremongers go to the Telestial kingdom. (Mormon Doctrine pp. 420, 421)
11. God and his wife achieved a celestial marriage (Celestial Marriage Manual p. 1)
12. Heavenly Father died just like Jesus (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith p. 346)
13. God was once just like us and progressed to godhood (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith p. 345)
14. God has a father and His Father has a Father, etc. (Mormon Doctrine p. 322)
15. Jesus and Lucifer are spirit brothers (Mormon Doctrine p. 192)
16. Jesus and Lucifer each had a plan to people the earth. Jesus' plan was chosen and caused Lucifer to rebel and he and the angels that followed him were cast out of heaven. (Mormon Doctrine p. 193)
17. God lives near a star called Kolob (Mormon Doctrine p. 428)
18. Temple endowments are so sacred that you must be worthy to enter (Mormon Doctrine pp. 619, 620)
19. Jesus was not able to keep his church together (History of the Church Vol. 6 pp. 408, 409)
20. In the future, you will need Joseph Smith's consent in order to enter the celestial kingdom (Journal of Discourse Vol. 7 p.289)
21. Not everything you'll need to know concerning salvation will be recorded in the Bible but there will be additional scriptures (Mormon Doctrine p. 83)"

Mittens,

1) Mormon Doctrine by BRM is not Mormon Doctrine, despite the title.
2) The Book of Mormon is a book of scripture. That does not mean it contains everything God has to tell us. Just like the Bible does not contain all that God says either. No Mormon believes such non-sense so stop trying to push it.

[_Mittens]

Is that the god of this world that told you

Why don't you ask him and find out? The Book of Mormon asks you to, if you ever bother to read it.

The god of this world is Satan, the Father of lies

[_Tobin]

The god of this world is Satan, the Father of lies

Yes, in your view, Satan is more powerful than God.

[_Mittens]

The god of this world is Satan, the Father of lies

Yes, in your view, Satan is more powerful than God.

To a Mormon he is the brother of Jesus, an evangelic would say Jesus created satan and he fell . So your creating a red herring and nonsense

[_Robert F Smith]

http://www.mormonhandbook.com/home/thomas-stuart-ferguson.html

Thomas Stuart Ferguson was the big deal in the 1970s when I first investigated Mormonism

I'll take your word for it that Ferguson was hot when you investigated, but why would you cite a false statement right at the outset of the piece from the so-called "Mormon Handbook"? It says:

Thomas Stuart Ferguson founded the New World Archaeological Foundation (NWAF), which was financed by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints to perform archaeological research for Book of Mormon evidences

Ferguson, a San Francisco lawyer with no training or experience in archeology was indeed among the founders of the secular NWAF (New World Archeological Foundation) and he did raise money from the LDS Church to finance it. However, it was most emphatically not founded "to perform archaeological research for Book of Mormon evidences." The archeologists running the projects were nearly all non-Mormons and they did excellent work and published very useful reports. These reports had nothing to do with the Book of Mormon, which was not even considered in such excavations. Indeed, the LDS Church only provided funds on the written understanding that no Book of Mormon research would take place at NWAF. I assume that this was because the Brethren thought that any such motivation might result in a "poisoning of the wells." Better to have completely secular research and conclusions. The wisdom of this notion has been proven over time.

The statements of Tom Ferguson cited in that inaccurate "Mormon Handbook" are the statements of a yokel who had no conception of what archeology might entail. If, on the other hand, you read the calm and professional statements of John Sorenson, an archeologist who knew Ferguson and accompanied him to Mexico back in the early 1950s, you get a completely different perspective.

[_Robert F Smith]

If it a scriptural Book ?

teachings of Mormons not found in Book of Mormon, The Articles of Faith “ Mormon Creed” or Bible.

1. The plurality of Gods (Mormon Doctrine pp. 576, 577)
2. The baptism for the dead done in holy temples (Mormon Doctrine pp. 72,73)
3. Celestial marriage which no unworthy member or outsider can attend (Mormon Doctrine pp. 117, 118)
4. Polygamy needed to become a God (Journal of Discourse, Vol. II p. 269)
5. Blacks were cursed with a dark skin (Mormon Doctrine p. 109)
6. You can become a God if you are worthy; celestial marriage required (Mormon Doctrine p. 118)
7. We were all pre-existent spirits (Mormon Doctrine p. 589)
8. God has a body of flesh and bones (Mormon Doctrine p. 289)
9. We have a Heavenly Mother as well as a Heavenly Father (Mormon Doctrine p. 516)
10. There are three levels of heaven. To go to the highest kingdom, you must be a Mormon. Honorable persons go to the Terrestrial kingdom. The dishonest, liars, sorcerers, adulterers and whoremongers go to the Telestial kingdom. (Mormon Doctrine pp. 420, 421)
11. God and his wife achieved a celestial marriage (Celestial Marriage Manual p. 1)
12. Heavenly Father died just like Jesus (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith p. 346)
13. God was once just like us and progressed to godhood (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith p. 345)
14. God has a father and His Father has a Father, etc. (Mormon Doctrine p. 322)
15. Jesus and Lucifer are spirit brothers (Mormon Doctrine p. 192)
16. Jesus and Lucifer each had a plan to people the earth. Jesus' plan was chosen and caused Lucifer to rebel and he and the angels that followed him were cast out of heaven. (Mormon Doctrine p. 193)
17. God lives near a star called Kolob (Mormon Doctrine p. 428)
18. Temple endowments are so sacred that you must be worthy to enter (Mormon Doctrine pp. 619, 620)
19. Jesus was not able to keep his church together (History of the Church Vol. 6 pp. 408, 409)
20. In the future, you will need Joseph Smith's consent in order to enter the celestial kingdom (Journal of Discourse Vol. 7 p.289)
21. Not everything you'll need to know concerning salvation will be recorded in the Bible but there will be additional scriptures (Mormon Doctrine p. 83)"

BrianH Mittens:
Aside from trying to derail this thread through non sequiturs (and false non sequiturs at that!), you are also avoiding the issue you yourself raised about that so-called "Dr" and his lame claims. To do so you cite many pages from the late Elder McConkie's infamous Mormon Doctrine, which was not an official LDS publication and constituted his own opinions on a whole range of issues.

Over and above that, however, many of your claims here about what is not in the Book of Mormon are simply false. You need to take a closer look.

[_Themis]

The statements of Tom Ferguson cited in that inaccurate "Mormon Handbook" are the statements of a yokel who had no conception of what archeology might entail.

Interesting that a guy who was very smart, a lawyer, and took a lot of time learning archeology is now a yokel who had no concept of what archeology might entail.