Analytics wrote:Just to clarify, I’m not claiming that the “superrich” keep getting richer by playing a zero-sum game with each other. I’m claiming they keep getting richer because they play a zero-sum game with middle-class chumps who are in over their heads.
This is an argument that is made
against "the guru investors" like Greenblatt all the time. The Gurus have a career-based interest in market efficiency being false. If market efficiency is true, then investing is a crapshoot. If it's false, then laymen are taking on an army of financial experts and hoping to beat them in a complex, competitive game with big money at stake, by following "a few easy steps".
Analytics wrote:In aggregate, the fund managers return to their clients less money than the clients would have earned in aggregate, had they simply invested in index funds. So all of the work that the funds do only transfers some wealth from the folks who put up the capital to the ones who managed the funds. In aggregate, all their work did was redistribute who keeps the gains.
Absolutely. EMH is
the argument for the index fund. An index fund manager has a moral right AND a financial incentive to accuse active fund managers of "stealing," so all the merrier. :) From a EMH/passive perspective, it would be like hiring an expert to spin the roulette wheel for you, and then paying him a commission for it no matter what the outcome.
Thanks for bringing up Droopy, now we're bringing out the heavy artillery. Droopy wouldn't be outraged, because Droopy would not accept the premise, as one who follows the Austrian School. The Austrians, along with most "leftists" reject market efficiency. They publish papers against market efficiency in their journal, and many active fund/hedge fund managers are, in fact, die-hard Austrians, including a nephew of Cleon Skousen's. Now, are you
sure you're not ready to convert?
Analytics wrote:when I pull the trigger at Fidelity for $542.2401 per share, I am in fact getting the very best price available anywhere
It depends on what you mean by "best". If you mean lowest, then certainly not, it would be better to find the share in a market where the stock goes for less. If it goes for $542.2401 on the NYSE and $420 at AMEX, then you buy at AMEX. Your demand ticks the price up to say 420.1$ and the surplus ticks NYSE down to $542.23. You make a handsome arbitrage profit. Well, with all that profit, why not repeat? You buy/sell buy/sell, you just can't get enough of this, but your own funds can't get the job done fast enough. So you create a fund, and leverage the power of a mob of investors to buy from AMEX and dump at NYSE. You take a generous fund management fee out of their profits, but they are happy about this because they are making some big money themselves. Apple is happy, because with two different prices for their stock in two different markets, they aren't sure how to put a business plan together because they aren't sure what they are worth; now they are getting a better idea.
As you continue to buy and sell, the greater volume begins affecting the prices more significantly, until the price in both markets converge at 480$. Up to this point, you've been arbitraging the market and providing everyone with value. But you don't stop there, you keep doing what you've been doing, charge your fees, and as the fund loses money,
you're still in the black. The investors begin to complain, but you convince them it's a bear year and to stick with it. The arbitrage ended at the point where the market became efficient at $480. After that, there is no arbitrage going on, only promises of arbitrage, and you continue to rake well-intentioned folks over the coals who don't believe in market efficiency: they've seen the books at the store about beating the market and the ads on late-night TV, they have faith you're their guy to make a come back. But as you know, the money tree is on empty, so you move from trading yourself, to writing books and doing seminars.
Analytics wrote:"But what if the bread-arbitrager needs to cut a hole in the baker’s wall in order to make these transactions..
This is where I'm losing you. Are you saying the market makers are profiteering in transaction costs? There is surely some truth to this, and to the extent the market is being "churned" over and above market efficiency, it is "unfair". But your comment about the explosion I can't place. And I'm struggling to differentiate between the problem with what might be a fine line between "market making profiteering" and "arbitrage profiteering".
Analytics wrote:If somebody has the skill to make a living at gambling, God Bless America! But on the other hand, is that really a good thing? ... if our best and brightest prefer to make killings on the market
If the market is not efficient, there's apparently a lot of work yet to be done, and people usually do make a killing in inefficient markets until they become efficient, so in your scenario, I applaud these young people. However, in the real world, I am thankful the IT industry was exploding when I was 24, which provided me a way out from working in an efficient market, my internship with a stock trading Guru, and moving into an inefficient market, where young people with half a brain could get jobs making far more money than they rightly deserved. My Guru helped me make the decision. He told me he could get me to Wall Street, but I would be fired, because studying the market on Wall Street is like reading the scriptures on a mission, when you could be out tracting. I was not ready to make 200 phone calls a day and pressure people. See, Wall Street, better than anyone,
knows the market is efficient.
After your conversion, we can stand together and expose the hedge fund managers, and slowly, the market for fund managers will become competitive to the point where passive portfolios with low fees are the rule. Until then, "the little books" out there will only encourage people to think that the ordinary "little" person can beat big bad Wall Street at their own game, and so they get in on the action, whether directly through eTrade, or through managed funds that sell a winning philosophy they convert to. Sure, maybe one out of the thousands of trading schemes based on fundamentals, technicals, market psychology, counter market psychology, migration patterns of geese, or any hybrid scheme in between has legitimately beat the market at some time. Then again, maybe there is one true religion out of the thousands, and that one message that just seems to click with our general views and lifestyle -- and different strokes for different folks you know -- and when further considering the massive potential payoffs involved, we are tempted to make an exception. And this will keep ALL of the religions alive and happy for decades or even centuries to come. So I will happily throw all the trading books in the fire along with the holy books of the world and leave it at that. I realize most people will keep their favorites. But it's kind of interesting because market gurus will denounce market efficiency like preachers denounce atheism, but when pressed, they'll concede that market efficiency is nearly true, they, after all, believe in only one more God than the atheist does.
Analytics wrote:I do reject the efficient market hypothesis, CAPM, and all the rest (really, “all investors are rational mean-variance optimizers, meaning that they all use the Markowitz portfolio selection model”??! Give me a break).
Fine. But just to point it out, EMH is real economics, with a real body of literature behind it that includes extensive empirical studies, and it is taught at real universities and business schools, including MIT, and is a standard subject of finance and financial economics textbooks. This does not mean that it is any more true than Keynesian economics or monetarism, which are also part of standard econ curriculum, and also hotly controversial. No doubt the two books you've recommended are interesting, but the work of Chicago will long outlive them. Even as an industry practitioner, in an industry that rejects EMH by and large, one may distinguish one's self as a Chartered Financial Anaylst. What's on the tests to earn the prestigious title of CFA? Among other things, a lot of this: CAPM, and likely none of this: "The Little Book..."
It sounds to me like you're judging a good chunk of the framework of financial economics as not worthy of your time based on a couple of sentences you've read that rub you the wrong way. Just to point it out, all people are rational "mean-variance optimizers" in the world of Keynes as well, at least as it would be taught from a text at MIT, even if those precise terms aren't used. I may start a separate post explaining this at another time. It is my opinion, however, that to properly evaluate the theory, you'd need to invest more time into understanding it. Not saying you SHOULD, as I think economics is a boring subject, just sayin'.
I think the other questions you had are more or less answered above but might come back to it later.