Never let a good disaster go to waste...

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Never let a good disaster go to waste...

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Is it appropriate to load up a disaster relief bill with non-disaster related spending that might (and should) cause some to delay its passage?

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/l ... CKwbheEV0N

WASHINGTON — President Obama’s $60.4 billion request for Hurricane Sandy relief has morphed into a huge Christmas stocking of goodies for federal agencies and even the state of Alaska, The Post has learned.

The pork-barrel feast includes more than $8 million to buy cars and equipment for the Homeland Security and Justice departments. It also includes a whopping $150 million for the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration to dole out to fisheries in Alaska and $2 million for the Smithsonian Institution to repair museum roofs in DC.
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http://www.nytimes.com/1998/02/13/us/us-judge-rules-line-item-veto-act-unconstitutional.html

U.S. JUDGE RULES LINE ITEM VETO ACT UNCONSTITUTIONAL

In a major blow to President Clinton and Republican leaders of Congress, a Federal judge ruled today that it was unconstitutional for the President to veto individual items in spending and tax legislation, rather than signing or rejecting the entire bill.
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cinepro wrote:Is it appropriate to load up a disaster relief bill with non-disaster related spending that might (and should) cause some to delay its passage?

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/l ... CKwbheEV0N

WASHINGTON — President Obama’s $60.4 billion request for Hurricane Sandy relief has morphed into a huge Christmas stocking of goodies for federal agencies and even the state of Alaska, The Post has learned.

The pork-barrel feast includes more than $8 million to buy cars and equipment for the Homeland Security and Justice departments. It also includes a whopping $150 million for the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration to dole out to fisheries in Alaska and $2 million for the Smithsonian Institution to repair museum roofs in DC.


Ha, well, the administration of George W. Bush used a national disaster to build a false case for war.

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Quasimodo wrote:http://www.nytimes.com/1998/02/13/us/us-judge-rules-line-item-veto-act-unconstitutional.html

U.S. JUDGE RULES LINE ITEM VETO ACT UNCONSTITUTIONAL

In a major blow to President Clinton and Republican leaders of Congress, a Federal judge ruled today that it was unconstitutional for the President to veto individual items in spending and tax legislation, rather than signing or rejecting the entire bill.


This is huge. :surprised:
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madeleine wrote:This is huge. :surprised:


Well, it was huge. It happened in 1998 (I should have been more clear). No matter what party a person belongs to, a line item veto is a good idea if you want to stop pork barrel spending.
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Quasimodo wrote:
madeleine wrote:This is huge. :surprised:


Well, it was huge. It happened in 1998 (I should have been more clear). No matter what party a person belongs to, a line item veto is a good idea if you want to stop pork barrel spending.


:) Yes, I saw it was Clinton.

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Is it appropriate to load up a disaster relief bill with non-disaster related spending that might (and should) cause some to delay its passage?


It is 100% appropriate. You seem to lack understanding in how stimulus money works. All that money you call "pork barrel" (which it isn't!) is going right back into the economy, which stimulates it and the jobs required to produce the goods and services being purchased.
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Kevin Graham wrote:It is 100% appropriate. You seem to lack understanding in how stimulus money works. All that money you call "pork barrel" (which it isn't!) is going right back into the economy, which stimulates it and the jobs required to produce the goods and services being purchased.


I don't disagree with your point about stimulus, but bills often have riders added to them that benefit only the area that a legislator represents in order to improve his or her chances of re-election or receiving campaign funds. It's a very old trick using a loophole in constitutional law.

The filibuster works through similar loopholes.
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I wouldn't mind seeing a line-item veto.
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Kevin Graham wrote:
Is it appropriate to load up a disaster relief bill with non-disaster related spending that might (and should) cause some to delay its passage?


It is 100% appropriate. You seem to lack understanding in how stimulus money works. All that money you call "pork barrel" (which it isn't!) is going right back into the economy, which stimulates it and the jobs required to produce the goods and services being purchased.

wow...a belly full of kool-aid this one has.
Your beating of the Keynesian drum is ill-fated because your misunderstand the subtle difference between stimulus money and deficit spending. The difference in their impact is clear by the rather inept and lackluster results seen over the last 4 years. Even a simple view of the economy, both historically and theoretically, has proven that stimulus based on deficit borrowing is doomed.
You even fail to mention that Obama's administration has so poorly managed the "stimulus" that it is has been rendered impotent at even basic levels.
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