More Underclass/Hip-Hop Barbarism on Parade

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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:http://rakemucker.com/history/south%20carolina--%20the%20most%20racist%20state.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Code ... _States%29

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_powe ... ntry_music

God. Don't you just hate all those racists who live in South Carolina, and listen to country music? These Rebel Rednecks are classic good ol' boys who understand quite well that their skin color and trendy trailer park attitudinizing exempt them thoroughly from the kind of criticism they would receive were they of another socioeconomic background, or virtually any other non-minority background.

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Is this a substance abuse problem, Cam, of something more overtly sinister?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iINA9sjO ... creen&NR=1

This is an excellent example of Holdsworth's improvisational, free-form fusion style, and demonstrates his abilities better than my last example (although Tokyo Dream has that beautiful, haunting synthesizer chord work that sets the atmosphere and affectual environment of the piece).
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Droopy wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iINA9sjORCI&feature=endscreen&NR=1

This is an excellent example of Holdsworth's improvisational, free-form fusion style, and demonstrates his abilities better than my last example (although Tokyo Dream has that beautiful, haunting synthesizer chord work that sets the atmosphere and affectual environment of the piece).


Yes, this vile cesspool of humanity also drinks beer, used hard drugs, has multiple divorces, has slept with many women outside the bonds of marriage, and advocates marijuana legalization. What is it about this man that is so different from The Game other than his cool mellow rifts, and the color of his skin?

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The Blacpocalypse has been delayed indefinately.

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Droopy wrote:CFR (for good or ill, this required a mandatory response or a retraction over at the FAIR message board. That's not the case here, but I'm still going to hold you to cough up evidence for your slander or eat your original claim.

What did I write that is indicative of racism?


Droopy wrote:In point of fact, if you and your Morlockean comrades here were at all well read, you would understand that the inner city welfare underclass culture that I and many other conservatives (including black conservatives) ceaselessly criticize is, in a very substantial sociocultural and historical sense, black redneck culture.

http://www.amazon.com/Black-Rednecks-Li ... 1594031436

White "redneck" culture is very similar, in core, defining characteristics, to black inner city underclass culture, even though different in style and expression in certain salient ways.


Droopy wrote:This guy "The Game" is a classic pop-thug culture Morlock who understands quite well that his skin color and trendy underclass attitudinizing exempt him thoroughly from the kind of criticism he would receive were he of another racial background, or ever of virtually any other minority background.

As you can see below, this semi-literate bore (and his fans, who clearly share similar psychological attributes) is not anywhere near firing on all cylinders, but his sense of entitlement and unhinged narcissism is not the least restrained by the clear lack of oil in the crankcase.


Droopy,

This is the second time in this thread where you specifically focused on your distaste for black "whatever" culture. You declined to bring up or criticize any other race. You refuse to publish the POINT of your OP which leads us to believe this is simply the demonstration of your soft racism.

I've demonstrated now, twice, that White "whatever" culture, first with the racist country musician and second with your boozy Jazz musician that White "whatever" culture is just as evil as whatever point you're trying to make with that African-American.

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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:Yes, this vile cesspool of humanity also drinks beer, used hard drugs, has multiple divorces, has slept with many women outside the bonds of marriage, and advocates marijuana legalization. What is it about this man that is so different from The Game other than his cool mellow rifts, and the color of his skin?



Where are these attributes and personal values extolled, valorized, glorified, expressed, honored, lauded, and celebrated in his music? Where does Mr. Holdsworth venerate and lionize an entire cultural model grounded in those behaviors and attitudes? Where does Mr. Holdsworth call female critics of his music bitches? Where has Mr. Holdsworth expressed feeling threatened by a critic of his personal lifestyle choices because his personal lifestyle choices represent an entire sub-culture centered in those kinds of behaviors and values? Where has Mr. Holdsworth publicly blasphemed and mocked things sacred to others?

Here's another song I used to like that very well expresses what usually happens when a typical leftist paints himself into yet another corner:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHoPYLQvnQM

What if, instead of Holdsworth, I had used as an example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-xRldjmfwg

I saw DeJohnette at The Backdoor at SDSU in the late seventies when he was with New Directions in Jazz with John Abercrombie. He's a fantastic artist who exemplifies the open, free-from, improvisational modern jazz style I cam to love in my early youth.

He also happens to be black, and he was high as a kite when I saw him play that night. So then, does his being black absolve me from the innate original sin of being a Caucasion critic of welfare underclass culture and its values, attitudes, and social effects, or does his not being a choir boy in his personal life have some logical relation to what someone like Snoop Dog, The Game, DMX, or Ice Tea do publicly?

DeJohnette, after all, didn't write tunes glorifying an entire culture grounded in unwed motherhood, male sexual predation, machismo posturing, drug use, crime, and violence, anti-intellectualism, racism and racial paranoia, ethnic separatism, and misogyny. Nor about drug use, as far as I know.

Nor has Holdsworth.

In the same vein, groups like Kiss, Motley Crue, and Guns 'N Roses have long exemplified the same kinds of antinomian, anti-civilizational tendencies within the context of white, working class and middle class youth culture ("I wanna rock n' roll all night, and party every day...") and which exemplified a particular rationalization of the attitudes and value shifts of the late sixties.

Its all much of a piece, but each has its own sub-cultural emphasis and idiosyncrasies. The black redneck culture of the inner city underclass and the white, working class/middle class party hardy culture of the blue collar suburbs share certain similarities, but also diverge in the degree of expression of certain tendencies (primarily as to fundamental assumptions about the core legitimacy of the society's fundamental institutions and structure and the absence of a fixation on racial identity).
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Again. What's your point? That White musicians can be as base and vulgar as Black musicians, or White Jazz musicians can be as cool and mellow as Black Jazz musicians? You're all over the place, and why are you so focused on race and skin color in making whatever-the-fuck point you refuse to make?

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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:Again. What's your point? That White musicians can be as base and vulgar as Black musicians, or White Jazz musicians can be as cool and mellow as Black Jazz musicians? You're all over the place, and why are you so focused on race and skin color in making whatever-the-fuck point you refuse to make?

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And, back again to the questions you refuse to answer: what is "black culture" and to whom does it apply?
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Droopy wrote:Its always nice when the Morlocks just honestly and openly expose themselves for what they are without pretense.

Its much better than the mask-wearing and posing that goes on here on too many occasions.

Art is always at its best when it's offending people like you, Droopy ;)
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