Its All in The Game

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

You don't dare actually define, in a clear, succinct body of propositions, your definition of "black" culture.

Droopy,

Here's my definition of Black Culture:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_people

Read all the citations. This is the 4th time I've answered your question, which is two times more than you've reciprocated for me.

The fact that you can't intuit what I'm trying to say is astounding.

V/R
Dr. Cam

[_Droopy]

You don't dare actually define, in a clear, succinct body of propositions, your definition of "black" culture.

Droopy,

Here's my definition of Black Culture:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_people

Read all the citations. This is the 4th time I've answered your question, which is two times more than you've reciprocated for me.

The fact that you can't intuit what I'm trying to say is astounding.

V/R
Dr. Cam

You've never answered it, and you won't. I'll let you in on a little secret, Cam: I didn't really think you would, which is why I asked the question, just to draw you out so you could stand there in all your hypocritical, sanctimonious left-wing glory and bleat.

You accounted for yourself well, Cam. You've raised your white flag, so this thread has probably run its course.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Hello Droopy,

Black Culture is defined as thus:

The Black Culture encompasses and includes all cultures which were ever in the continent of Africa, and any other continent brought on through the African diaspora. It includes their many iterations that span social, geopolitical, and cultural evolutions.

V/R
Dr. Cam

[_Kevin Graham]

Give it up, Kevin. You are neither intellectually or morally qualified to debate anyone of competent philosophical background and ability on this issue.

Give what up?

I'm laughing at your expense, as are most other people on this forum. You're a joke and always have been. Every time you try to imply you're some kind of intellectual, we laugh a little bit harder. You're like so many other uneducated hicks I know down here in the south who think they're "intellectual" because they listen to talk radio and mimic their favorite "think tank" commentators.

You've been owned in debate on virtually every subject you've tried to engage. Rambling in incoherent run-on sentences jammed with worthless adjectives, doesn't make you an intellectual.

So who exactly do you think you're impressing here? You're accusing people of illiteracy while misspelling basic terms! I mean you just can't make this stuff up. You've been exposed as a phony virtually every time you speak. But keep it up, by all means. Comic relief is good for our souls.

[_Droopy]

Hello Droopy,

Black Culture is defined as thus:

The Black Culture encompasses and includes all cultures which were ever in the continent of Africa, and any other continent brought on through the African diaspora. It includes their many iterations that span social, geopolitical, and cultural evolutions.

V/R
Dr. Cam

And so here is the problem: you have claimed there is such a thing as "black" (a skin color; a morphological characteristic) culture," and the Wiki article appears to make the same claim: that there is a unitary, rather homogenous "black culture" that encompasses and circumscribes all other African cultures that ever existed on the African continent or on any other continent.

So then, there is an organic, overarching "black culture" that transcends time, age, continent, and nation or kingdom, that has definable, contiguous characteristics over time and place, and within which all black people are organically absorbed or assimilated, in some sense, irrespective of age, nation, or continent.

It is also claimed here that there is something called a "black diaspora" which itself represents and is encompassed by "black culture."

Thank you, Cam, as this is exactly what I was trying to draw out and allow you to make explicit. What must be understood here, however, is that none of this is in any salient sense serious history, sociology, or anthropology. What it is, from the fundamental idea of a unitary, all-encompassing "black culture" that transcends all other national, ethnic, and human boundaries, and the idea of a "diaspora" of a unitary, organic culture and black people from a "mother" country, is black power ideology

This is all of a piece with the ideology of Afrocentrism and black cultural nationalism as it developed in the late sixties and seventies and matured in the eighties. It also forms the core basis of most defenses of the black component of the welfare underclass culture and its cultural artifacts.

Welcome to the Baseline Essays.

[_Droopy]

Give it up, Kevin. You are neither intellectually or morally qualified to debate anyone of competent philosophical background and ability on this issue.

Give what up?

I'm laughing at your expense, as are most other people on this forum. You're a joke and always have been. Every time you try to imply you're some kind of intellectual, we laugh a little bit harder. You're like so many other uneducated hicks I know down here in the south who think they're "intellectual" because they listen to talk radio and mimic their favorite "think tank" commentators.

You've been owned in debate on virtually every subject you've tried to engage. Rambling in incoherent run-on sentences jammed with worthless adjectives, doesn't make you an intellectual.

So who exactly do you think you're impressing here? You're accusing people of illiteracy while misspelling basic terms! I mean you just can't make this stuff up. You've been exposed as a phony virtually every time you speak. But keep it up, by all means. Comic relief is good for our souls.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Hello Mr. Droopy,

Once again, I'm not sure what the point of all of this is, and I'm not sure what you think you've "pulled out of me". Black cultures are diverse and varied and not static, and like most of the world have been impacted upon by both internal and external forces. The same can be said of all racial cultures.

What I'm fascinated by is your obsession with Black-Whatever and why it always seems to be a target of your soft racism. Why is that?

V/R
Dr. Cam

[_Droopy]

Hello Mr. Droopy,

Black cultures are diverse and varied and not static, and like most of the world have been impacted upon by both internal and external forces. The same can be said of all racial cultures.

But this is inconsistent with your initial claim, which is that there is something called "black culture" (not a diverse and varied body of cultures) that I was somehow against.

How can "black culture" (singular) be understood as "diverse" and "varied"? Is there a "white culture" that transcends national boundaries and has unitary features in both America and Finland? In Bulgaria and Greece? Are Greeks Greek first or white first? What about Poles? Is there something about whiteness that binds all white people together across nations and continents, irregardless of ethnicity and nationality, and is this also true of black people? If not, then why do you speak of a "black culture" in America, and then imply, by implication, that Hip-Hop, Gansta Rap, and underclass culture are inherent aspects of it such that to be critical of any of these is, by definition, to be critical of black people themselves for no other reason than they are black?

Further, the context of all these threads has been, not black culture in Nigeria or the Congo, but principally American, inner city welfare underclass culture and its cultural productions, and the effects of that culture upon middle class culture, primarily the aping and glorifying of that culture by the media, Hollywood, and Madison Avenue. You claimed, by implication, therefore, that there is such a thing as a "black culture" in America that I have some problem with.

As of yet, you have still not explained or defined what this black culture is, and what aspects of it you think I find offensive because it is black (and not because of its cultural attributes themselves).

What I'm fascinated by is your obsession with Black-Whatever and why it always seems to be a target of your soft racism.

Ad hominem smears combined with question begging. Yes, conservatives are a minority now, and they lost a very important election, but I can at least take solace in the happy reality that we won all the intellectual arguments long ago.

Yes, we've let power slip through our fingers, but we hold all the intellectual and moral cards.

But these are, indeed, the "last days."

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

But this is inconsistent with your initial claim, which is that there is something called "black culture" (not a diverse and varied body of cultures) that I was somehow against.

Well, you are against Black Culture. You're attempting to frame it as being against "Redneck Black Ghetto Culture", whatever that is. Since I've never seen you extol the virtues of Black Culture, but have consistently shat out your soft racism, refusing to give a POINT to your various posts singling out Blacks, then I'm left to surmise you're a racist promoting your particular brand of supremacist ideology.

Is there a "white culture"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_people

Read the article, and then the footnotes.

Further, the context of all these threads has been, not black culture in Nigeria or the Congo, but principally American, inner city welfare underclass culture and its cultural productions [Blacks], and the effects of that culture upon middle class culture [Whites], primarily the aping and glorifying of that culture by the media, Hollywood, and Madison Avenue.

Wow. You sure keep knocking them outta the park there, Mr. Droopy.

Sure. Sure. That has been your angle all along.

This guy "The Game" is a classic pop-thug culture Morlock who understands quite well that his skin color and trendy underclass attitudinizing exempt him thoroughly from the kind of criticism he would receive were he of another racial background, or ever of virtually any other minority background.

[_Droopy]

Well, you are against Black Culture.

1. You have not yet defined "black culture" in its distinctive and unique American setting, so I don't know what you mean.

2. I am critical of "thug" and "gangsta" culture and cultural attributes among black Americans, and concerned regarding its grossly disproportionate influence upon black Americans. How is this being "against black culture" (hint: Chatterton claims that it is not authentic black culture, but an imposition upon it. Indeed, he calls it a "debasement" of American black culture. One particular paragraph of his interview posted at Amazon.com is phrased in language that I'd be hard pressed to use here myself, but which perfectly expresses my perceptions of the matter:

Yes, I was and still am awed! Let’s be honest, like many committed parents my father faced daunting odds getting me away from the foolishness that surrounded us. Because we were not wealthy and living in seclusion, it was basically him and my mother against a neighborhood and high school of bad role models who were working in conjunction with a relentless and powerful propaganda campaign that streamed into the house 24/7 via Hot 97 FM, Black Entertainment Television and MTV. The odds were that his message would be drowned out in a cacophony of BS.

).

You're attempting to frame it as being against "Redneck Black Ghetto Culture", whatever that is.

Do some reading.

Since I've never seen you extol the virtues of Black Culture,

Would you like me to? Would that gain me absolution from my sins against the holy trinity of race, class, and gender? How much extolling would be penance enough (but first, I'll need to know what American "black culture" is before I can extol it)?

but have consistently shat out your soft racism, refusing to give a POINT to your various posts singling out Blacks, then I'm left to surmise you're a racist promoting your particular brand of supremacist ideology.

Ranting leftist bigotry masquerading as anti-bigotry. Wonders never cease.