More Underclass/Hip-Hop Barbarism on Parade

[_Droopy]

Oh, no, I'm going to have to extend my criticisms to enlightened individuals like Allen West and Alan Keys? Heaven forbid. Do you also want to take this time to point out you have black friends?

Nice dodge. Still spry after all these years (Dr. Keys is, intellectually, to you, what Godzilla is to Bambi. You know not of what you speak).

So, I guess we can add to your views that it is impossible for a member of a class to harbor attitudes or views that are in effect prejudicial towards that class?

Who on earth ever claimed this? Not me.

Nothing bigoted about that.

No, that would be the very essence of bigotry.

I know you want to mash up the John McWhorters of the world and Stormfront-esque rants against "hip-hop culture"

You've lost the battle, E. You've descended to the level of Rosie 'O Donnel or Michael Moore and I don't even think you're aware of it. Its just who you are, I'm afraid. Making an intellectual joke of yourself and name calling to mask the fact that you have no coherent, intellectually substantive, rational argument to bring to this table is no fun to watch, I assure you.

Stormfront? I feel the same way about Stormfront as I feel about the Bolsheviks, the Veit Cong, the Sandinistas, and the Khmer Rouge. I feel the same way about them, as a matter of fact, as I feel about the the Western utopian/collectivist Left generally speaking. They're all very much the same kinds of people (totalitarian collectivists harboring murderous bigotries against various classes of human beings because of the identity group in which they are pigeonholed) who have somewhat different doctrinal emphasis and de-emphasis, but who's enemies (classical liberalism and the Judeo-Christain framework underlying it) are the same at the core of each.

You cannot be this dense and smugly ignorant of the conservative intellectual movement and its core ideas, or of mine, as you've been reading them for many years.

Or could you...

but it's even worse when you attempt to suggest that if a black person says something then it's immune from the charge of anti-black racism.

That's the overarching attitude and taboo among virtually the entire academic/media/Hollywood iron triangle and its multiculturalist white guilt/victimology cultus. I'm only an observer. I was not complicit in the creation of these ideological dungeons.

If you were as well-read on cultural issues from the late 60's period as you falsely claim to be, yes it would've crossed your path.

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Your desperation to score debating points on an emotional/psychological level has now become a bit overheated, E. Maybe you should try again another day after you've decided that critical thinking is actually a virtue to be nourished and cultivated, and not a threat to be avoided.

Let me get this straight: because I've never heard of one, obscure country-western song by an artist in whom I never had the slightest interest in a genre in which I never had the slightest interest reflects on my knowledge and educational background of the era in which the song appears strikes me as a bit, well, odd. Very desperately odd.

Also, I was 9 years old when this came out. Why should I remember it when I never listened to this kind of music. I wasn't even listening to rock 'n roll at that time.

E, loosen up the wad a bit.

Hey, you've become slightly more literate. Nice to see you anxious to show off your newfound ability to use a word correctly.

I always use words correctly, unless I inadvertently insert a typo due to a mental oversight on my part. everyone does that, including you. In most cases I've found that most people on the web consider people who pick out a careless typo in a sea of correct word usage and use it to question and insult other's intelligence as, uh...a sanctimonious boor.

Other terms come to mind as well, but I'll leave it at that.

Shame it comes in a thread where you attacked others for being semi-literate, though.

Actually, the word I'm now thinking of begins with 'A' and ends with 'E'

That pretty well sums it up.

[_Droopy]

The man with no name is an archetypical western heroic stereotype imbedded in "white man in the wild west" myth making. Eastwood brilliantly deconstructs it himself piece by piece in Unforgiven. It's not at all a coincidence that Ned is played by Morgan Freeman.

Who's theory is this, and why should I take it seriously as over against competing theories? First of all, D, have you ever heard of Akira Kurosawa? Sergio Leone certainly liked him.

Hollywood still has serious issues with racist tropes that favor whites...

And with racist tropes that corral and pigeonhole blacks, woman, Muslims, and other minorities in rigid, multiculturalist, leftists mascot roles. Other ideological tropes long pervasive in Hollywood are those stereotyping businesspeople, entrepreneurs, fathers, men, the soldiers and the military, and Christians.

There's a phenomenon TV tropes dubs "Mighty Whitey" that extends back centuries in European narratives that is sometimes slightly racist and sometimes deeply racist that is still alive and kicking in modern film and TV.

I'm sure in multiculturalist/black studies theory and in any typical sociology, cultural anthropology, or critical theory textbook this is the case. Whether or not this will hold up to deeper scrutiny is open to question.

My friend calls it "Whitey saves the day" and it is almost inevitable that at least one oscar nominee will be an example. Not only is it more pervasive than obscure, niche market blaxploitation conspiracies, it's more obvious.

"Whitey"? Keep letting the cat out of the bag, D. Keep going, please...

The reason it keeps kicking is that it's still the case that executives believe audiences need a white "in" into a story in order to identify with it,

Yeah, like Bruce Lee in 1973. Like Jacky Chan. Like Jet Li. Like Samual L. Jackson. Like Danny Glover. Like Eddie Murphy. like...

Have you been reading Cornell West books, D? Shame on you. A mind is a terrible thing to waste (usually).

so those kind of narratives get disproportionately greenlighted. Example after example after example of this is collectively is pretty racist even if we suspend disbelief or even find it believable in the case of individual stories.

Just to be a sanctimonious boor myself, I should here point out that the above sentence is ungrammatical and incoherent, and clearly represents the scribblings of an uneducated semi-literate.

Its also mostly leftist critical theory slag, which is not only a matter of pure, ideology driven abstract theorizing, but easily argued against using alternative assumptions and analysis.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

[_Droopy]

I just quickly took a look at the Wiki entry for Leone, and there's nothing there suggesting the highly politicized analysis you've imposed on the Spaghetti Western genre at all.

I suspect that, indeed, I'd have to go right into the fever swamps of the contemporary academic Left to dig up something like you've proposed here.

Most people would never think of imposing the tightly wound and rather bizarre ideological interpretational template on those films or the Eastwood character as you've done here.

Most libertarians I've run across or read wouldn't think of doing so either, finding such overwrought and evidentially thin theorizing more than a bit obnoxious.

[_Droopy]

I should be clear that there is a subset of critical theory known as critical race theory, which permeates much of the social sciences and humanities and which has polluted most discourse and analysis of culture and social issues for several decades, that, with multiculturalist ideology, is primarily responsible for the vacuous analytical meanderings of people like E in areas such as film, literary, music, or any kind of cultural criticism.

The funnel always ends, at the bottom of the vortex, with race, class, gender, or sexual orientation, or some combination of these. Everything must be encompassed by and understood within the context of these fundamental categories.

[_EAllusion]

Who's theory is this,

That the man with no name is an archetypical western hero in films that embody the myth of the West or that Unforgiven is a deconstruction of the myth of the West, including that archetype? Who doesn't agree with either? It's obvious. Every single western cliché' is trotted out in Unforgiven and turned on its head with a sense of realism. That's the movie. Do you think Eastwood disagrees? Ned, with the traits he possesses, is a black guy precisely because his role does not traditionally exist in Westerns (though it did in frontier America).

and why should I take it seriously as over against competing theories?

What competing theories?

First of all, D, have you ever heard of Akira Kurosawa? Sergio Leone certainly liked him.

I own almost all Kurosawa movies, though this has nothing to do with anything. It's difficult to figure out what your point even is here, though my best guess is that you're continuing to try and find non-white people to point to. In service of what point, who knows? Kurosawa was heavily influenced by Ford and imported Western genre conventions into his films, which later influenced newer Westerns. My best guess is you think I'm asserting that Westerns are an assertion of white power or some similar nonsense and think that the existence of Japanese "Westerns" refutes this. That would be incredibly stupid. But, hey, it is a Droopy post.

I'm sure in multiculturalist/black studies theory and in any typical sociology, cultural anthropology, or critical theory textbook this is the case. Whether or not this will hold up to deeper scrutiny is open to question.

You'll notice where my link went didn't go to a cultural studies department and offers numerous examples of what I referred to.



But, but, Jackie Chan exists! Bruce Li became popular after losing out the lead role in Kung Fu to David Caradine! That refutes the very existence of hundreds of examples of a narrative trope you pointed to, EA.

"Whitey"? Keep letting the cat out of the bag, D. Keep going, please...

Irony is hard!

Just to be a sanctimonious boor myself, I should here point out that the above sentence is ungrammatical and incoherent, and clearly represents the scribblings of an uneducated semi-literate.

Heh.

[_EAllusion]

I always use words correctly, unless I inadvertently insert a typo due to a mental oversight on my part. everyone does that, including you. In most cases I've found that most people on the web consider people who pick out a careless typo in a sea of correct word usage and use it to question and insult other's intelligence as, uh...a sanctimonious boor.

It wasn't a typo. It was you overreaching on your word-choice, which members of this board have seen you do dozens and dozens of times. It just so happened to come at a time where you were attacking someone as semi-literate, which made it funny.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Droopy hates the Veit Cong. That's why we've seen no less than a dozen threads devoted to Chinese hegemony in the Fart East and why there's an imminent implosion of Amer-Sino relations over the Communist heavy-handedness in regional and international affairs destroying not only Westernist values, but undermining American middle-class industrial complexes and replacing them with a dependence on foreign production made cheaply by the Chi-Coms thus empowering the Liberals to institute their ideological designs on unsuspecting useful idiots who promulgate unwittingly the Atheist agenda first outlined by the soft Socialist Theodore Herzl and codified by Leninists-Stalinists who have used American ignorance, thanks to the lack of a truly remarkable and productive school system, to implement their designs through the United Nations.

The Latter-Days are indeed here. Sigh... Nothing to see. Move on...

- Doc

[_Droopy]

It wasn't a typo. It was you overreaching on your word-choice, which members of this board have seen you do dozens and dozens of times. It just so happened to come at a time where you were attacking someone as semi-literate, which made it funny.

It was a typo. I exchanged to word "bore" for "boor."

This is like trying to have a discussion with a plastic dinosaur.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

It wasn't a typo. It was you overreaching on your word-choice, which members of this board have seen you do dozens and dozens of times. It just so happened to come at a time where you were attacking someone as semi-literate, which made it funny.

It was a typo. I exchanged to word "bore" for "boor."

This is like trying to have a discussion with a plastic dinosaur.