Man is as intelligent as God

[_grindael]

Sorry Tobin but it is you who have failed to grasp what Smith was teaching. According to Smith, God is only more advanced than we are. If you had bothered to read the rest of the sermon than you would grasp this.

although the earthly tabernacle is laid down and dissolved, they shall rise again to dwell in everlasting burnings, in immortal glory, not to sorrow, suffer, or die any more; but they shall be heirs of God and joint heirs with Jesus Christ. What is it? [i.e., to be joint heirs with Jesus Christ]. To inherit the same power, the same glory, and the same exaltation, until you arrive at the station of a God and ascend the throne of eternal power, the same as those who have gone before. What did Jesus do? Why, I do the things I saw my Father do when worlds came rolling into existence. My Father worked out his kingdom with fear and trembling, and I must do the same; and when I get my kingdom, I shall present it to my Father, so that he may obtain kingdom upon kingdom, and it will exalt him in glory. He will then take a higher exaltation, and I will take his place, and thereby become exalted myself.

God (according to Smith) doesn't have a greater capacity, he is just has more knowledge and is further up on the ladder.

[_Tobin]

Sorry Tobin but it is you who have failed to grasp what Smith was teaching. According to Smith, God is only more advanced than we are. If you had bothered to read the rest of the sermon than you would grasp this.

although the earthly tabernacle is laid down and dissolved, they shall rise again to dwell in everlasting burnings, in immortal glory, not to sorrow, suffer, or die any more; but they shall be heirs of God and joint heirs with Jesus Christ. What is it? [i.e., to be joint heirs with Jesus Christ]. To inherit the same power, the same glory, and the same exaltation, until you arrive at the station of a God and ascend the throne of eternal power, the same as those who have gone before. What did Jesus do? Why, I do the things I saw my Father do when worlds came rolling into existence. My Father worked out his kingdom with fear and trembling, and I must do the same; and when I get my kingdom, I shall present it to my Father, so that he may obtain kingdom upon kingdom, and it will exalt him in glory. He will then take a higher exaltation, and I will take his place, and thereby become exalted myself.

God (according to Smith) doesn't have a greater capacity, he is just has more knowledge and is further up on the ladder.

Do you actually think before you write your comments? How is God more advanced if we have all existed together the same? Hmmmm? I know you won't be able to figure it out, so I'll tell you. It is because God has a greater capacity than we do. But, I'll let you misquote and misunderstand Joseph Smith as usual. As they say, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.

[_Molok]

Do you actually think before you write your comments? How is God more advanced if we have all existed together the same? Hmmmm? I know you won't be able to figure it out, so I'll tell you. It is because God has a greater capacity than we do. But, I'll let you misquote and misunderstand Joseph Smith as usual. As they say, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.

You mistakenly assume that Joseph Smith's theology should make sense. This is the same guy who thought quakers lived on the moon, remember?

[_Tobin]

Do you actually think before you write your comments? How is God more advanced if we have all existed together the same? Hmmmm? I know you won't be able to figure it out, so I'll tell you. It is because God has a greater capacity than we do. But, I'll let you misquote and misunderstand Joseph Smith as usual. As they say, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.

You mistakenly assume that Joseph Smith's theology should make sense. This is the same guy who thought quakers lived on the moon, remember?

I fail to see the connection between this and what may have been Joseph Smith's other opinions. It would seem it is your position that if someone says something that may be true and insightful, we should disregard it if they also happen to believe anything else that is false and unrelated.

[_grindael]

Do you actually think before you write your comments? How is God more advanced if we have all existed together the same? Hmmmm? I know you won't be able to figure it out, so I'll tell you. It is because God has a greater capacity than we do. But, I'll let you misquote and misunderstand Joseph Smith as usual. As they say, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.

“Knowledge does away with darkness, suspense and doubt; for these cannot exist where knowledge is. … In knowledge there is power. God has more power than all other beings, because He has greater knowledge; and hence He knows how to subject all other beings to Him. He has power over all. (History of the Church, 5:340; capitalization modernized; paragraph divisions altered; from a discourse given by Joseph Smith on Apr. 8, 1843, in Nauvoo, Illinois; reported by Willard Richards and William Clayton.)

On your official church page. http://www.LDS.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?h ... 82620aRCRD

Go argue with Joseph Smith.

[Guest]

Do you actually think before you write your comments? How is God more advanced if we have all existed together the same? Hmmmm? I know you won't be able to figure it out, so I'll tell you. It is because God has a greater capacity than we do. But, I'll let you misquote and misunderstand Joseph Smith as usual. As they say, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.

“Knowledge does away with darkness, suspense and doubt; for these cannot exist where knowledge is. … In knowledge there is power. God has more power than all other beings, because He has greater knowledge; and hence He knows how to subject all other beings to Him. He has power over all. (History of the Church, 5:340; capitalization modernized; paragraph divisions altered; from a discourse given by Joseph Smith on Apr. 8, 1843, in Nauvoo, Illinois; reported by Willard Richards and William Clayton.)

On your official church page. http://www.LDS.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?h ... 82620aRCRD

Go argue with Joseph Smith.

I give up grindael. Just ask yourself this question over and over in that head of yours. "How did God get this greater knowledge if we have all existed together the same?" I'm sure you'll figure it out someday.

[_grindael]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6VOtjCmUsE

[_grindael]

Here is how Orson Pratt explained it:

Then the question arose how did God recieve his present formation? The Answer given by Professor Pratt was sumthing in the following language:

He sayes I throw out my Ideas not as doctrin but for you to look at. You know when A Chemist goes to work to Analize or try new experiments they often have to try many times before they put a thing perfect & take certain processes which are unnecessary and are afterward laid aside And pursue the most perfect Course that can be [pursu]ed. It may reasonably have been the case with the first being [form]ed which may be Called God. As eternity was filled as it were with particles of intelligence who had there Agency, two of these particles in process of time might have joined their interest together exchanged ideas found by persueing this course that they gained [double?] strength to what one particle of intelligence would have & afterwards were joined by other particles & continued untill they formed A combination or body though through a long process.

Yet they had power over other intelligences in consequence of their combination, organization & strength And in process of time this being body or [p.218] God seeing the the Advantage of such an organization desires company or A companion And Having some experiance goes to work & organizes other beings by prevailing intelligences to come to gether & may form sumthing better than at the first. And After trials of this kind & the most perfect way sought ought it was found to be the most expeditious & best way to recieve there formations or bodies either spiritual or temporal through a womb. (Wilford Woodruff's Journal, Vol. 3, p. 217, June 26, 1847).

[_Bhodi]

Instead, for much of my professional life, including nine months of this last year, I have spent my Sundays working overseas, often to help improve the lives of folks in Central America or the Middle East by deploying technology. This year I lead a project to help approximately 30,000 people who live in a remote desert by helping design and stand up western technology to improve their environment and standard of living. Sundays (and the other days of the week) are often spent training local students and recent graduates to understand and work with modern tools and technology, as well as to better appreciate the primacy of facts over faith and action over wishful thinking.

Are you claiming your life is superior to a religious believer becaue your Sundays in the Middle East are spent in ways that are superior to theirs? That is an odd and incorrect statement. I am not even sure it is true.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Are you claiming your life is superior to a religious believer becaue your Sundays in the Middle East are spent in ways that are superior to theirs? That is an odd and incorrect statement. I am not even sure it is true.

Well, if you're an existentialist who assigns no meaning nor value to Life as a total system then everything is a waste. However, if you're a Humanist then Dr. W's life works far outpace those of the average religionist who pays lip service to his fellow man. If you're a Fantatist who believes he's going to be rewarded after death because you follow arbitrary rules and believe a god is on your side, then... You know...

I will remind you religion had its shot for thousands of years before the scientific method came around. Didn't really do much except make people miserable (and it continues to do so unabated these days).

- DRC