Another Attempt at Serious Discussion

[_Analytics]

I for one don't know much about hip-hop culture or the black experience, "authentic" or otherwise. Having said that, if I were black I would hold the same position that I do as a white: I wouldn't want to raise my kids in a way where they felt they needed to personify hip-hop music in order to be "authentic." Presumably, successful blacks (Oprah Winfrey, [insert favorite black athlete here], Al Sharpton, Barack Obama, etc.) agree with me on this.

So what is your point? Presumably, you think liberals take issue with what you quoted? Perhaps you could quote a liberal who actually says what you think they say, and we can talk about that.

Where to start (there are so many...) Let's take just two, one from the present day, and one from the revolutionary past to which the modern progressive Left, both white and black, owes so much.

http://www.michaelericdyson.com/cosby/points.html

The above comments by a well known Marxist/black power university professor of some note contains a very nice overview, in a way, of common themes among the Left...

Thanks for the long post. I'd rather address the first one deeply, and then move on to the others.

First, let's be clear on why Dyson is famous. Eight years ago, Bill Cosby gave a speech at a gala event: the NAACP's celebration of the 50th anniversary of Brown vs. Board of Education. His speech is now known as the "Pound Cake Speech," and I'm guessing you would agree with its sentiments—hear is a link to the full speech and a quote:

Brown Versus the Board of Education is no longer the white person's problem. We've got to take the neighborhood back (clapping). We've got to go in there. Just forget telling your child to go to the Peace Corps. It's right around the corner. (laughter) It's standing on the corner. It can't speak English. It doesn't want to speak English. I can't even talk the way these people talk. “Why you ain't where you is go, ra,” I don't know who these people are. And I blamed the kid until I heard the mother talk (laughter). Then I heard the father talk. This is all in the house. You used to talk a certain way on the corner and you got into the house and switched to English. Everybody knows it's important to speak English except these knuckleheads. You can't land a plane with “why you ain't...” You can't be a doctor with that kind of crap coming out of your mouth....

http://www.eightcitiesmap.com/transcript_bc.htm

Michael Eric Dyson was one of the few blacks who publicly disagreed with Cosby. Because of that, Dyson got a lot of publicity.

So before we look more closely at Dyson's actual views, can you comment on the popularity of Cosby's position among blacks (who overwhelmingly vote democrat) and your claim that Dyson's views are typical of those of the left?

[_krose]

Really looking forward to hearing Professor Dyson speak in person next week. He's very good.

Of course, now that I'm forewarned of his "well-known Marxist" status, I will be on the lookout for that. And since Marxism is more popular in America at the moment than the Republican Party (so are jock itch, chlamydia and hurricanes), I'm afraid he may have a receptive audience to convert. Scary.

[_Droopy]

Really looking forward to hearing Professor Dyson speak in person next week. He's very good.

Since you are a vocal man of the Left, Krose, its a nice boost for my general perception of the Left, and the points about them I try to make to others, that you cannot wait to hear a talk by an anti-American Marxist apologist for racism and racial separatism and radical leftist ideologue who excuses, adulates, and rationalizes even the worst gangsta rap as a social commentary on values and attitudes imposed on black people by a racially hostile "them" outside their own communities and beyond their control.

Was gangster rapper and general all around lowlife and real-life underclass thug, gang banger, and gang rapist Tupac Shakur (both of who's parents were Black Panther members in an earlier era) a Jesus-like figure, Krose? (If you want to see what happens when a high, racially focused fever of this kind begins to produce gibbering delirium, this is an excellent example:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ebony-a-u ... 80669.html)

So you can hardly wait to hear the profound wisdom of a "professor" who holds politically correct court in an faux academic course called "the sociology of Hip-Hop (and who believes this foul-mouthed, pornographic gangsta rapper J-Z, or is at the center of the coarse, is "an icon of American excellence" and is a deep well of "social commentary"),"
who holds what can be only termed bizarre, quasi-paranoid views of American society and racial issues, is among the most egregious intellectual poseurs currently infesting American academia, and who believes 9/11 was a morally justified attack on his own nation?

Dyson's old sociology 124 coarse (and Georgetown's sociology department is so loaded with sectarian ideological indoctrination masquerading as academic courses that if can easily be placed among the most intellectually debased social science departments in all of modern politically corrected America) is fascinating for what it actually expects young adults to swallow whole.

Dyson interprets lyrics such as these:

I keep it fresher than the next bitch
no need..for you to ever sweat the next bitch
..with speed, I make the best bitch see the exit..indeed,
you gotta know your thoroughly respected by me,
you get the keys to the Lexus, with no driver
you gotcha own '96 suh-in..the ride
and keep your ass tighter than Versace that's why
you gotta watch your friends you got to watch me
they conniving s**t

as "...speaking about the imagistic conception of blackness that is evoked in a white world thinking about black culture.”

This is a peek behind the curtain at our contemporary humanities and social science professorate, folks, and it is just as intellectually vacuous as it appears, and just as academically fraudulent. Do you know what these kids parents and/or you and I are paying for this fatuous ideological evangelicalism?

So, you like this guy? Does this say something about you, as well, Krose, or were you just unaware of these realities?

[_moksha]

And since Marxism is more popular in America at the moment than the Republican Party (so are jock itch, chlamydia and hurricanes}, ...

That is because chlamydia is more circumspect with its postings on message boards.

[_krose]

Ah crap. Here I thought I was just expressing the opinion that I think a guy is an entertaining and interesting speaker. Now I discover that I'm committed to loving whatever "gangster rap" is, as well as worshipping its practitioners as "Jesus-like"? Damn!

It's going to take some time to find out who these dudes are and load their stuff onto my iPod so I can be a good racist Marxist who hates Whitey. Sorry, Abba, Carpenters, America, Groban, Celtic Woman, et al. It's been fun, but you've got to go. It's for the cause.