The Mormon Petition: A Proclamation For Truth

[_Jutta]

Belonging to Mormons under the umbrella of the Christianity? Superficially perhaps looks. However, one sees a little more deeply, one sees that it is not that way for it. The LDS which is not component of a Christian religion has many "special teachings". I would like only to the Endowment, the Garment (and therefore to everything which happens in the temple); and ongoing revelations remind.

PS: Sorry for my lousy English, but this isn't my mother tongue.

[_Tobin]

Belonging to Mormons under the umbrella of the Christianity? Superficially perhaps looks. However, one sees a little more deeply, one sees that it is not that way for it. The LDS which is not component of a Christian religion has many "special teachings". I would like only to the Endowment, the Garment (and therefore to everything which happens in the temple); and ongoing revelations remind.

PS: Sorry for my lousy English, but this isn't my mother tongue.

I disagree. Clearly you aren't very familiar with the Bible.

1) The prophets of the Bible, including Peter, James and John who went to the mountain with Jesus and was transfigured and saw and heard many things in the presence of the Lord, is very much in keeping with the idea of being endowed with special knowledge.

2) Apparently you've never read or heard of Isaiah or other references in the Bible to special garments from the Lord. The idea of putting on robes of righteousness and being clean before the Lord is stated OFTEN. For example,

Isaiah 61:10

I will greatly rejoice in the Lord, my soul shall be joyful in my God; for he hath clothed me with the garments of salvation, he hath covered me with the robe of righteousness, as a bridegroom decketh himself with ornaments, and as a bride adorneth herself with her jewels.

So, I'm sorry, but Mormonism is very much in keeping with true Christianity and what the prophets say when you understand the scriptures.

[_Albion]

Believe it any way you wish but to endow articles of clothing with any kind of righteousness does in many ways undercut the position of Christ himself as the believer's righteousness. The reference is symbolic rather than relating to specific articles of clothing. Believers are to wear His righteousness as their "dressing" before the world and before God. This is clearly demonstrated in the scriptural adjunct to "put on the whole armor of God".

[_Tobin]

Believe it any way you wish but to endow articles of clothing with any kind of righteousness does in many ways undercut the position of Christ himself as the believer's righteousness. The reference is symbolic rather than relating to specific articles of clothing. Believers are to wear His righteousness as their "dressing" before the world and before God. This is clearly demonstrated in the scriptural adjunct to "put on the whole armor of God".

Again, that is just a failure on your part to understand what the garment is and it is exactly what you are describing. It is simply to remind Mormons of God and their promises to follow God and that is why Mormons wear it. It is a robe of righteousness, just as the scriptures state, to remember and keep the word of the Lord. In fact, it is just as symbolic as you suggest since the garments themselves actually have symbols on them and are white to symbolize purity.

[_Albion]

I fully understand the Mormon view on their "garments", the reasons and the symbols stitched on them, and I am glad that you agree that it is a symbolic item not endowed with any kind of power or righteousness in and of itself. I would disagree that this is specifically what the scripture is talking about but I suppose that's part of why you are a Mormon and I am not.

[_Jutta]

@Tobin,

I know the Bible very well! Too well, think some members of the JW and of the LDS. And I know two things from my Bible studies:

1. Much is interpreted in into texts because they are translated insufficiently.

2. Christians usually do not notice the context and the original Hebrew (Aramaic) words. The same also applies to the Greek words.

From this misunderstandings and misinterpretations came.
An example:

The LDS, the RCC and many other churches refuse women from the priesthood. With the reason/doctrine, that Jesus has appointed only men for the service. Normally they cite the apostles. We know Bible, however, that at that time also were female apostles (e.g. Junia from romans 18:7). And in the 12th century they changed the female Junia into a male JUNIAS So to speak the first biblical sex change surgery.
Junia was not the single umptieth woman with an ecclesiastical office. Lydia was a municipality leader, as well Priskia (Priscilla), and a deaconess also is mentioned in the Bible. The Roman Catholic theology professor Norbert Greinacher wrote in an article which appeared in the "Spiegel" (mirror; that the last deaconess was active in the 6th century.

Here some interesting links:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junia

http://www.gotquestions.org/women-pastors.html (Women in the early church history)

[_Tobin]

The LDS, the RCC and many other churches refuse women from the priesthood. With the reason/doctrine, that Jesus has appointed only men for the service. Normally they cite the apostles. We know Bible, however, that at that time also were female apostles (e.g. Junia from romans 18:7). And in the 12th century they changed the female Junia into a male JUNIAS So to speak the first biblical sex change surgery.
Junia was not the single umptieth woman with an ecclesiastical office. Lydia was a municipality leader, as well Priskia (Priscilla), and a deaconess also is mentioned in the Bible. The Roman Catholic theology professor Norbert Greinacher wrote in an article which appeared in the "Spiegel" (mirror; that the last deaconess was active in the 6th century.

That's nice. But despite what you think, women do have the priesthood in the LDS Church. Women perform ordinances in the temple and they must hold the priesthood to do so. In general it is true they do not officiate and are denied an active public role to use God's priesthood, as is their right. But this is merely a man-made policy and has nothing to do with Mormonism (a.k.a. the "real" Gospel of Jesus Christ) itself and so you are quite wrong about women not having the priesthood in Mormonism.

[_son of Ishmael]

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