Animal sacrifice in New Testament era LDS teach

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Re: Animal sacrifice in New Testament era LDS teach

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Tobin wrote:... Mormons do not practice animal sacrifice now and such an offering will only be done when God returns and requires such a thing.


I like the idea of a religion that thinks it is quite possible that the creator of all things might turn up one day and say "Hey! Go get me a steer and slit its throat! I need to smell that burning bovine flesh - its so appeasing." That's sooo quaint.

Even the Psalmist had his doubts on that score:

Psalm 50
King James Version (KJV)

13 Will I eat the flesh of bulls, or drink the blood of goats?
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Albion wrote:And yet, here you are.

yes, even a car wreck attracts a crowd.....
and i neither re-visited nor viewed it "anew", as is apparent with my post and the links provided therein.
Mittens, offered no point of departure for any new inquiry nor thought....it was merely an exercise in regurgitation for the OP had nothing to offer beyond what was already a "given".
Nice of you to assume and/or revise what the OP motivation was/is...especially as it is contrary to any reasonable conclusion.
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Chap wrote:
Tobin wrote:... Mormons do not practice animal sacrifice now and such an offering will only be done when God returns and requires such a thing.


I like the idea of a religion that thinks it is quite possible that the creator of all things might turn up one day and say "Hey! Go get me a steer and slit its throat! I need to smell that burning bovine flesh - its so appeasing." That's sooo quaint.

Even the Psalmist had his doubts on that score:

Psalm 50
King James Version (KJV)

13 Will I eat the flesh of bulls, or drink the blood of goats?

The Psalmists were clearly addressing the Pagan view that God(s) actually needed to eat and drink.
But i am curious where one gets the notion that obedience and sacrifice are somehow mutually exclusive?
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Chap wrote:I like the idea of a religion that thinks it is quite possible that the creator of all things might turn up one day and say "Hey! Go get me a steer and slit its throat! I need to smell that burning bovine flesh - its so appeasing." That's sooo quaint.


Oh come on! Even vegans like the smell of cooking beef. :ugeek:
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Chap wrote:
I like the idea of a religion that thinks it is quite possible that the creator of all things might turn up one day and say "Hey! Go get me a steer and slit its throat! I need to smell that burning bovine flesh - its so appeasing." That's sooo quaint.

Even the Psalmist had his doubts on that score:

Psalm 50
King James Version (KJV)

13 Will I eat the flesh of bulls, or drink the blood of goats?

subgenius wrote:The Psalmists were clearly addressing the Pagan view that God(s) actually needed to eat and drink.
...


Riiiiight. But even if he doesn't eat, he really does like the smell of burning dead animals, doesn't he?

Leviticus 1 (KJV)

1 And the Lord called unto Moses, and spake unto him out of the tabernacle of the congregation, saying,

2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, If any man of you bring an offering unto the Lord, ye shall bring your offering of the cattle, even of the herd, and of the flock.

3 If his offering be a burnt sacrifice of the herd, let him offer a male without blemish: he shall offer it of his own voluntary will at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation before the Lord.

4 And he shall put his hand upon the head of the burnt offering; and it shall be accepted for him to make atonement for him.

5 And he shall kill the bullock before the Lord: and the priests, Aaron's sons, shall bring the blood, and sprinkle the blood round about upon the altar that is by the door of the tabernacle of the congregation.

6 And he shall flay the burnt offering, and cut it into his pieces.

7 And the sons of Aaron the priest shall put fire upon the altar, and lay the wood in order upon the fire:

8 And the priests, Aaron's sons, shall lay the parts, the head, and the fat, in order upon the wood that is on the fire which is upon the altar:

9 But his inwards and his legs shall he wash in water: and the priest shall burn all on the altar, to be a burnt sacrifice, an offering made by fire, of a sweet savour unto the Lord.

10 And if his offering be of the flocks, namely, of the sheep, or of the goats, for a burnt sacrifice; he shall bring it a male without blemish.

11 And he shall kill it on the side of the altar northward before the Lord: and the priests, Aaron's sons, shall sprinkle his blood round about upon the altar.

12 And he shall cut it into his pieces, with his head and his fat: and the priest shall lay them in order on the wood that is on the fire which is upon the altar:

13 But he shall wash the inwards and the legs with water: and the priest shall bring it all, and burn it upon the altar: it is a burnt sacrifice, an offering made by fire, of a sweet savour unto the Lord.


It's just a deity thing, I guess.
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let us not forget to compare the sacrifices offered by Cain and offered by Abel....especially how these sacrifices are conveyed in the book of Hebrews (11:4)
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I would still like an answer to my original question. What would the purpose be for such a future sacrifice of an animal? Are you saying atonement for sin? Demonstration of faith...what exactly? I have no specific view on this but want the Mormon reasoning.
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It is merely to fulfill prophecy. Your question is similar to why do we have to wait for the Millenium and the second coming of the Lord? Because it is the will of the Lord and it will be done according to his will.
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I understand what you are saying but prophesy has no value in and of itself...there has to be purpose in the act...what is the purpose of this future act of sacrifice?
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