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Re: 6th Circuit: Diversity Trump's religious freedom

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lulu wrote:
3sheets2thewind wrote:I do not think she had to prove the free speech claim to win on the equal protection claim. She lost on the equal protection claim for not showing that she and the other person were "similarly situated". Equal Protection claims, at least from a EEOC standpoint, involve burden shifting.

As to this being a Free Speech issue rather than a religious issue....better make sure Bcspace knows that.


Those are good points. In the end I'm not sure much difference it makes to the result if this was Free Speech or a Free Exercise case other than to feed bcspace's and Droopy's deep-seated needs for persecution.

I wouldn't be surprised if she did put a statutory EEOC claim in her complaint. It would seem odd if she didn't. The decision does have a separate paragraph about equal protection separate from applying the 1st amendment to the states under the 14th Amendment.


Don't you think it's funny that by (incorrectly) labeling this case as being about "religious freedom," bcspace has unwittingly suggested that the claim that homosexuals choose their orientation is a religious belief?

I don't see how you get to an equal protection claim without a First Amendment claim in this case. If Dixon had filed suit because she was not allowed to wear blue shoes to work but the lesbian provost was, it is unlikely you're going to get very far with that equal protection claim. Her equal protection claim was based on the allegation that other university employees were allowed to exercise their free speech rights while she was not.
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Good point darthj, this is just one of the many examples of bcspace posting contrary to the Church position.
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Darth J wrote:
3sheets2thewind wrote:
I do not think she had to prove the free speech claim to win on the equal protection claim.


If she cannot show an established right being at stake, then there is no equal protection claim. The 14th Amendment guarantees equal protection of law, not simply equal protection of "treatment."


Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 (Title VII), which prohibits employment discrimination based on race, color, religion, sex, or national origin
of which
firing is a prohibited discriminatory practice
as well as
employment decisions based on stereotypes or assumptions
and Title VII goes beyond intentional discrimination by protecting against
practices that have the effect of discriminating against individuals because of their race, color, national origin, religion, or sex
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Darth J wrote:I don't see how you get to an equal protection claim without a First Amendment claim in this case. If Dixon had filed suit because she was not allowed to wear blue shoes to work but the lesbian provost was, it is unlikely you're going to get very far with that equal protection claim. Her equal protection claim was based on the allegation that other university employees were allowed to exercise their free speech rights while she was not.


I find nothing that bcspace or Droopy do funny, its all very, very frightening.

But there's that dangling paragraph about equal protection that the decision really doesn't need, not that judges don't ever include paragraphs they don't need for their conclusion. (I'll tell you about the time I lost on a point in the trial court, the trial court was absolutely right, it was a clear statutory issue, the appeals court favorably cited my original position in the opinion even though I had left it out of my appeal brief because I was clearly wrong. On remand, I just ignored that part of the appeals decision. Frightening.)

But I think we both know that as things go up, arguments get dropped, judges get confused. My guess is the complaint had an EEOC cause of action in it (disparate treament based on religion that looks kind of like equal protection.) Wouldn't you want to include one? The judge's (forgive me) law clerk wasn't thinking clearing and felt the decision needed to say something about disparate treatment even though it didn't. The judge signed the decision.

I guess I could go to PACER and look at the underlying documents but its easier just to BS about it here :smile:

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subgenius wrote:
Darth J wrote:
If she cannot show an established right being at stake, then there is no equal protection claim. The 14th Amendment guarantees equal protection of law, not simply equal protection of "treatment."


Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 (Title VII), which prohibits employment discrimination based on race, color, religion, sex, or national origin
of which
firing is a prohibited discriminatory practice
as well as
employment decisions based on stereotypes or assumptions
and Title VII goes beyond intentional discrimination by protecting against
practices that have the effect of discriminating against individuals because of their race, color, national origin, religion, or sex


That does not have any relevance whatsoever to the case discussed in this thread. Dixon did not make a claim for discrimination. Her claim was that her right to free speech under the First Amendment was violated. Her equal protection claim was also based on a free speech claim, not religious discrimination. At no point did this plaintiff make a Title VII claim. It's a straight-up 1983 action. Dixon v. University of Toledo, district court opinion

You don't have the slightest idea what you're talking about. You are like the Edmund Hillary of Mount Stupid.
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lulu wrote:I guess I could go to PACER and look at the underlying documents but its easier just to BS about it here :smile:


Hang on and I'll look.
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You're right Darth, complaint can be downloaded here free

http://www.scribd.com/doc/8614699/Dixon ... aint-12-08

Edited: District Court opinion free here click on formats PDF

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/granule/USCOUR ... etail.html
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subgenius wrote:
Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 (Title VII), which prohibits employment discrimination based on race, color, religion, sex, or national origin
of which
firing is a prohibited discriminatory practice
as well as
employment decisions based on stereotypes or assumptions
and Title VII goes beyond intentional discrimination by protecting against
practices that have the effect of discriminating against individuals because of their race, color, national origin, religion, or sex


We're discussing constitutional rights -- specifically the 1st and 14th amendment -- not laws passed by Congress.
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lulu--

I don't know how to attach a document to a post, so I am copying and pasting the complaint from PACER:

UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
NORTHERN DISTRICT OF OHIO
CRYSTAL DIXON,
Civil Case No. ________________
Plaintiff,
v.
UNIVERSITY OF TOLEDO; LLOYD COMPLAINT
JACOBS, individually and in his official
capacity, President, University of Toledo; Hon. _______________
WILLIAM LOGIE, individually and in
his official capacity Vice President for
Human Resources and Campus Safety,
University of Toledo;
Defendants.
Plaintiff Crystal Dixon (“Plaintiff”), by and through her undersigned counsel,
brings this Complaint against the above-named Defendants, their employees, agents and
successors in office, and in support thereof, alleges the following:
INTRODUCTION
1. This action asserts Plaintiff’s fundamental constitutional rights protected
by the First and Fourteenth Amendments to the United States Constitution and 42 U.S.C.
§ 1983. Defendants, by means of their acts, omissions, policy, practice, and/or custom,
have punished Plaintiff’s private political speech on account of its viewpoint by
terminating her government employment at the University of Toledo in violation of
Plaintiff’s right to freedom of speech protected by the First Amendment. Furthermore,
Defendants have in place a policy, practice, and/or custom that grants them unbridled
discretion to subjectively determine which political speech is permitted and which
political speech is restricted in violation of the First Amendment. Finally, Defendants
have denied Plaintiff access to a forum for her speech based on its viewpoint, thereby
depriving Plaintiff of the equal protection of the law guaranteed by the Fourteenth
Amendment.
2. As a result of Defendants’ violations of Plaintiff’s fundamental rights,
Plaintiff seeks declaratory and injunctive relief as well as nominal, compensatory, and
punitive damages, and attorneys’ fees and costs.
JURISDICTION AND VENUE
3. This action arises under the First and Fourteenth Amendments to the
United States Constitution and 42 U.S.C. § 1983. Jurisdiction is conferred on this court
pursuant to 28 U.S.C. §§ 1331 and 1343.
4. Plaintiff’s claims for declaratory and injunctive relief are authorized
pursuant to 28 U.S.C. §§ 2201 and 2202, Rules 57 and 65 of the Federal Rules of Civil
Procedure, and the general legal and equitable powers of this court.
5. This court is authorized to award nominal, compensatory, and punitive
damages for the past loss of Plaintiff’s constitutional rights and the harm caused by
Defendants’ actions pursuant to 42 U.S.C. § 1983.
6. This court is authorized to award reasonable costs of litigation, including
attorneys’ fees and expenses, pursuant to 42 U.S.C. § 1988.
7. Venue is appropriate in the Northern District of Ohio pursuant to 28
U.S.C. § 1391(b), because a substantial part of the events or omissions giving rise to
Plaintiff’s claims occurred within this district.
PLAINTIFF
8. Plaintiff is and was at all relevant times herein a resident of Maumee,
Ohio.
9. Plaintiff was at all relevant times herein employed by the University of
Toledo, a government institution.
DEFENDANTS
10. The University of Toledo (“University”), located in Toledo, Ohio, is a
public entity established and organized under the laws of Ohio, with the authority to sue
and be sued in its own name.
11. The University is charged with carrying out its own administrative and
educational operations and promulgates the policies, practices, and/or customs in
furtherance thereof.
12. At all relevant times herein the University was a “person” acting under
the color of state law pursuant to 42 U.S.C. § 1983.
13. Defendant Lloyd Jacobs, at all relevant times herein, was President of the
University and acting under color of state law. Defendant Jacobs is responsible for
creating, adopting, and implementing University policies, practices, and/or customs,
including those challenged within this Complaint. Defendant Jacobs is sued individually
and in his official capacity.
14. Defendant William Logie, at all relevant times herein, was the Vice
President for Human Resources and Campus Safety at the University and acting under
color of state law. Defendant Logie is responsible for creating, adopting, and
implementing University policies, practices, and/or customs, including those challenged
within this Complaint. Defendant Logie is sued individually and in his official capacity.
STATEMENT OF FACTS
15. Prior to July 1, 2006, Plaintiff was employed full-time as the Acting
Administrator for Human Resources at the Medical University of Ohio (“MUO”).
Plaintiff was recruited by Defendant Logie to MUO and Plaintiff’s career at MUO was
one of upward career advancement based upon her stellar job performance.
16. On or about July 1, 2006, the University merged with MUO, creating the
University as it exists today, with approximately 22,000 students and 7,700 employees.
17. From about July 2006 to July 2007, Plaintiff was employed full-time by
the University as Associate Vice President for Human Resources—Health Science
Campus (formerly MUO).
18. On or about July 2007, Plaintiff was promoted to the position of interim
Associate Vice President for Human Resources over all University campuses.
19. On or about April 3, 2008, Plaintiff read an opinion piece published in the
Toledo Free Press authored by Michael Miller titled “Lighting the Fuse: Gay Rights and
Wrongs.” Miller’s opinion piece equated homosexual activity with the struggles of
African-American civil rights victims. Plaintiff disagreed with the viewpoint advanced
by Miller’s piece and decided to submit her own opinion piece to the Toledo Free Press
in order to express her personal viewpoint on this matter of public concern.
20. Plaintiff, an African-American woman and sincere practicing Christian,
believes that homosexuality is a grave offense against the Law of God and that
comparing homosexual activity with the struggles of African-American civil rights
victims is absurd and untenable because she believes homosexuality is a lifestyle choice
and not an immutable or inherent genetic and biological characteristic like skin or eye
color.
21. On or about April 15, 2008, Defendant Logie made Plaintiff the
permanent Associate Vice President for Human Resources over all University campuses.
Defendants Jacobs and Logie were Plaintiff’s direct supervisors.
22. On or about April 18, 2008, Plaintiff’s opinion piece, titled “Gay Rights
and Wrongs: Another Perspective,” was published in the Toledo Free Press online
edition. Plaintiff expressed her opinion, stating “I respectfully submit a different
perspective for Miller and Toledo Free Press readers to consider. … I take great umbrage
at the notion that those choosing the homosexual lifestyle are civil rights victims.”
Plaintiff signed off on her opinion piece as “Crystal Dixon.”
23. Plaintiff did not write her opinion piece as part of her official duties at the
University and she did not intimate that she was writing on behalf of the University.
Plaintiff wrote her opinion piece as a private citizen addressing a matter of public
concern.
24. On or about April 18, 2008, Defendant Logie informed Plaintiff that “he
knew her article was printed online, that he had a steady stream of people in his office
complaining about it, that he was considering placing her on administrative leave pending
his review of University policies and procedures, and that he was concerned with her
leadership,” or words to that effect. Plaintiff asked Defendant Logie what she had done
wrong and he stated that “he did not yet know,” or words to that effect.
25. On or about April 21, 2008, Defendant Logie placed Plaintiff on
administrative leave pending an investigation. Defendant Logie informed Plaintiff “he
did not yet know what the investigation would entail but that it could take about three
weeks to complete because Defendant Jacobs was in China,” or words to that effect.
26. On or about May 2, 2008, an opinion piece authored by “Dr. Lloyd
Jacobs, University of Toledo President” was published in the Toledo Free Press.
Defendant Jacobs stated in relevant part “Crystal Dixon is associate vice president for
Human Resources at the University of Toledo, her comments do not accord with the
values of the University of Toledo. … It is necessary, therefore, for me to repudiate much
of her writing. ... We (the University) will be taking certain internal actions in this
instance to more fully align our utterances and actions with this value system. … It is my
hope there may be no misunderstanding of my personal stance, nor the stance of the
University of Toledo, concerning the issues of “Gay Rights and Wrongs. … Dr. Lloyd
Jacobs is president of the University of Toledo.”
27. On May 5, 2008, Plaintiff was ordered by Defendants to appear at a
hearing where Defendant Jacobs informed her “he was considering disciplinary action in
view of the letter you (Plaintiff) wrote and the reaction to it,” or words to that effect.
28. On May 12, 2008, Plaintiff received a letter from Defendants dated May 8,
2008, indicating that effective immediately her employment at the University was
terminated in relevant part because “the public position you have taken in the Toledo
Free Press is in direct contradiction to University policies and procedures as well as the
Core Values of the Strategic Plan which is mission critical.”
29. In about June 2008, Defendant Jacobs stated further that “Plaintiff was
fired for her speech and that her termination was not based upon her job performance,” or
words to that effect.
30. In July 2008, Defendants filled Plaintiff’s former position with a deposed
former University Dean who had recently resigned after Defendants’ faculty publicly
voiced concerns about his leadership. Defendants pay this individual $40,000 more
annually than Plaintiff was paid to perform the same or similar duties.
31. On numerous other occasions Defendants’ employees have publicly
expressed personal opinions and viewpoints about various political and social issues.
Excluding Plaintiff, not once have Defendants terminated any employee for publicly
expressing personal views on public issues. Consequently, there are no narrowly drawn,
reasonable, and definite standards or objective factors guiding the decisions of
Defendants, thereby granting Defendants unbridled discretion to subjectively determine
on an ad hoc basis which speech is permitted and which speech is prohibited.
32. Pursuant to Defendants’ acts, omissions, policy, practice, and/or custom,
Defendants made a subjective determination based upon Plaintiff’s private political
speech to terminate Plaintiff’s public employment, while other employees at the
University were allowed to express various messages without being punished.
33. Plaintiff expressed her personal opinion about homosexuality and civil
rights. Plaintiff’s political speech was not expressed as part of her official duties at the
University; however, Plaintiff’s protected speech was a substantial or motivating factor in
Defendants terminating her employment at the University.
34. Public employees do not surrender their First Amendment rights by reason
of their employment. The First Amendment protects a public employee’s right to speak
as a citizen addressing matters of public concern. Plaintiff’s opinion piece in the Toledo
Free Press was political speech, constituting personal expression, and is therefore subject
to the highest degree of First Amendment protection.
35. Defendants, by their acts, omissions, policy, practice, and/or custom, have
punished Plaintiff for expressing her political messages while allowing other University
employees to speak freely, thereby restricting speech based upon its content and
viewpoint.
36. Defendants’ acts, omissions, policy, practice and/or custom do not
comport with constitutional safeguards protecting speech and were enforced against
Plaintiff merely upon Defendants’ desire to avoid the discomfort or unpleasantness that
sometimes might accompany what could constitute an unpopular viewpoint.
37. Defendants’ acts, omissions, policy, practice, and/or custom are
unconstitutional as applied to Plaintiff’s speech as set forth in this Complaint.
38. Defendants’ policy is unconstitutional because it allows for ad hoc
suppression of speech based upon Defendants’ subjective assessments made under
impermissibly vague standards of determining which messages are acceptable and which
are not.
39. Defendants’ policy is unconstitutional because it reaches more broadly
than is reasonably necessary to protect legitimate state interests at the expense of
protected First Amendment freedoms.
40. Plaintiff’s political messages cannot be banned by Defendants. The mere
expression of the ideas and viewpoint in Plaintiff’s opinion piece did not—and as a
matter of law could not—warrant the punishment meted out by Defendants.
41. Plaintiff, an African-American Christian, took umbrage with a newspaper
opinion piece equating homosexuality with the civil rights struggles of racial minorities.
Plaintiff rebutted this opinion by submitting her own opinion piece in the same
newspaper, only to be fired from her job by the government for doing so—a University
nonetheless, supposedly a marketplace for ideas—who then, without any adverse
consequences, published its own opinion piece in the same newspaper to rebut Plaintiff’s
opinion piece. To add insult to injury, Defendants—the government—then replaced
Plaintiff with a less qualified and officially disgraced person and paid him substantially
more than the Plaintiff.
42. Defendants’ outrageous, reckless, and wanton actions and omissions have
chilled Plaintiff’s constitutionally protected speech, and caused her emotional distress,
lost wages and income, and substantially affected her future earning capacity and
potential.
FIRST CLAIM FOR RELIEF
Freedom of Speech—First Amendment
(42 U.S.C. § 1983)
43. Plaintiff hereby incorporates by reference all above-stated paragraphs.
44. By reason of the aforementioned acts, omissions, policy, practice, and/or
custom, engaged in under color of state law, Defendants have deprived Plaintiff of her
right to freedom of speech under the First Amendment to the United States Constitution
as applied to the states and their political subdivisions under the Fourteenth Amendment
to the United States Constitution and 42 U.S.C. § 1983, in that Defendants have punished
Plaintiff by terminating her government employment based upon the viewpoint of her
political speech, expressed as a private citizen on a matter of public concern, with no
compelling state interest that could justify such action.
45. Defendants have in place a policy, practice, and/or custom that grants
them unbridled discretion to subjectively determine which political speech is permitted
and which political speech is not permitted in violation of the First Amendment and by
reason of the acts, omissions, policy, practice and/or custom, as set forth in this
Complaint, Defendants have violated Plaintiff’s right to freedom of speech under the
First Amendment to the United States Constitution as applied to the states and their
political subdivisions under the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution
and 42 U.S.C. § 1983.
46. As a direct and proximate result of Defendants’ violation of the Free
Speech Clause of the First Amendment, Plaintiff has suffered injury and irreparable
harm, including the loss of her constitutional rights, entitling her to declaratory and
injunctive relief and damages.
SECOND CLAIM FOR RELIEF
Equal Protection—Fourteenth Amendment
(42 U.S.C. § 1983)
47. Plaintiff hereby incorporates by reference all above-stated paragraphs.
48. By reason of the aforementioned acts, omissions, policy, practice, and/or
custom, engaged in under the color of state law, Defendants have deprived Plaintiff of the
equal protection of the law guaranteed under the Fourteenth Amendment to the United
States Constitution by punishing Plaintiff for expressing her political viewpoint as a
private citizen on a matter of public concern in a local newspaper, while permitting
government employees to express the government’s viewpoint on the same matter in the
same local newspaper, thereby denying the use of this forum to those viewpoints which
Defendants find unacceptable.
49. As a direct and proximate result of Defendants’ violation of the Equal
Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment, Plaintiff has suffered injury and
irreparable harm, including the loss of her constitutional rights, entitling her to
declaratory and injunctive relief and damages.
PRAYER FOR RELIEF
WHEREFORE, Plaintiff asks that this Court:
A) declare Defendants have violated Plaintiff’s constitutional rights by
censoring her speech and by punishing her by terminating her employment for engaging
in protected speech activities based on the viewpoint of her speech as set forth in this
Complaint;
B) declare Defendants’ acts, omissions, policy, practice and/or custom are
unconstitutional as set forth in this Complaint;
C) order that Plaintiff be reinstated to the position she held at the time of her
termination, or in the alternative, order that Plaintiff receive front pay for a reasonable
period of time;
D) order that Plaintiff receive full back pay;
E) retain jurisdiction of this matter for the purpose of enforcing this Court’s
orders;
F) award nominal and compensatory damages against all Defendants and
punitive damages against Defendants Jacobs and Logie in their individual capacities
pursuant to 42 U.S.C. § 1983 and other applicable law;
G) award Plaintiff reasonable attorneys’ fees, costs and expenses pursuant to
42 U.S.C. § 1988 and other applicable law;
H) to grant such other relief as this Court should find just and proper.
DEMAND FOR JURY TRIAL
Pursuant to Rule 38(b) of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure, Plaintiff hereby
demands a trial by jury of all issues triable of right by a jury.
Respectfully Submitted,
THOMAS MORE LAW CENTER
By: /s/Brandon M. Bolling
Brandon M. Bolling, Esq.
(MI P60195; RI 7728)
P.O. Box 393
24 Frank Lloyd Wright Drive
Ann Arbor, MI 48106
Phone: 734.827.2001
Fax: 734.930.7160
E-mail: bbolling@thomasmore.org
*Admission Pro Hac Vice Pending
LAW OFFICE OF THOMAS A. SOBECKI
By: /s/ Thomas A. Sobecki
Thomas A. Sobecki (OH 0005210)
405 Madison Avenue, Suite 910
Toledo, Ohio 43604
Phone: 419-242-9908
Fax: 419-242-9937
E-mail: tsobecki@tomsobecki.com
Attorneys for Plaintiffs
Dated: December 1, 2008
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Darth J wrote:That does not have any relevance whatsoever to the case discussed in this thread. Dixon did not make a claim for discrimination. Her claim was that her right to free speech under the First Amendment was violated. Her equal protection claim was also based on a free speech claim, not religious discrimination. At no point did this plaintiff make a Title VII claim. It's a straight-up 1983 action. Dixon v. University of Toledo, district court opinion

mine was merely a response to your post. nevertheless, it is still an option for her and does meet the requirement you posted.

Darth J wrote:...You are like the Edmund Hillary of Mount Stupid.

could not agree more, thank you - iahve always considered myself as conquering stupid - getting up and over it....

which puts me right on top of you...planting my pole on the tippy top of your pointed little noggin

here is a pic...that is me in blue...geez, looks like a lot of people have planted their pole on your head

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