Daniel C. Peterson Calls The Maxwell Institute Unethical

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Everybody Wang Chung wrote:DCP has now clearly crossed the Rubicon into open rebellion. It's only a matter of time before he is hauled into a disciplinary court.


I'll believe it when I see it. I suppose if Samuelson does support Bradford then Dan could be putting his job in jeopardy, but I don't see how it would affect his membership status. What exactly would he be disciplined for?
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Everybody Wang Chung wrote:I'm sure He will judge me someday and I've lived my life in such a manner that I'm not concerned in the least. It's too bad the same can't be said for you.



I feel sorry for your family; I'm sure if they knew what you were doing anonymously to a respected person and to the Church, they'd have concerns.
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DCP has now clearly crossed the Rubicon into open rebellion. It's only a matter of time before he is hauled into a disciplinary court.

He truly is the Willy Loman of Mopologetics.


Your particular system of ethics is peculiarly terrible, attacking the good doctor's character anonymously.

Whereas I'm not a fan of Dr. Peterson's departure from the Maxwell institute and how he did it and how Hamblin has said various things about it, I do credit Dr. Peterson a certain amount of dignity to complain about how things are going on there.

You don't know really his ethical concerns. I can see a number that jump out. Attracting donations and then changing the mission of the enterprise. Committing to publish papers and then not. Not cooperating in the editing process to get volumes out. Enact a mission change different than the original mission. An academic is entitled to complain about such things.

I believe that an institution is entitled to change its mission, and donors and authors of pending papers have no claim whatsoever on the future operations of a non-profit entity, and that egos are clashing in the space of a 6 by 10 office that not too many people care about, but I also credit the ethical concerns. But I would never, ever, disparage somebody public like Dr. Peterson the way you do without putting your name to your classless cowardice. Some day, God will hold you to account.

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Cicero wrote:
Everybody Wang Chung wrote:DCP has now clearly crossed the Rubicon into open rebellion. It's only a matter of time before he is hauled into a disciplinary court.


I'll believe it when I see it. I suppose if Samuelson does support Bradford then Dan could be putting his job in jeopardy, but I don't see how it would affect his membership status. What exactly would he be disciplined for?


Based on things Midgley has said, and based on past Church discipline action, I would guess that, if he *were* actually disciplined, he would be hauled in for "insubordination." I suppose the larger questions is: what are the odds that this will happen? There are surely a lot of complicating factors. One is the issue of money and donors; Prof. P. has indicated that he's "juiced in" with some pretty deep pockets in the Mormon world. I'm sure that alone would give the Brethren pause, though obviously they were willing to overlook it in order to remove him from the Maxwell Institute.

Another element of this--perhaps the key one--is the whole Dehlin debacle. (Indeed, it was in speaking on this topic that Midgley used the word "insubordination.") If they went ahead and published the Dehlin "hit piece" in Mormon Interpreter, I would guess that it would be seen as a clear act of insubordination--a direct contradiction of what they were told to do. Midgley mentioned a "memo" that came down from Church higher-ups and that effectively canceled the Dehlin article, though there seems to be some confusion over the language of this "memo." (And yes: I'd love to see the text of this document--it's apparently a key piece of Mopologetic history.) Apart from this, though, Prof. Peterson has continually assured his readers and fans that they need merely to "have patience" in order to read this Greg Smith article. What does that mean, exactly? That they're waiting for the GA in question to die off? That they're still trying to gauge all the risks? Or is his very act of saying this a form of insubordination? Certainly, he hasn't been very circumspect in his criticism of Gerald Bradford, BYU, and the Maxwell Institute.

Finally, there is the question of which of the GAs was involved in this. If it had been a fully vigorous Elder Packer that they'd pissed off, then yeah: he would probably be on his way out already. I'm pretty sure I know which of the Apostles it was who intervened in all of this. Let's just say that I'm sure that this person's patience is limited, particularly in light of some of the First Presidency's declarations on being more tolerant, loving, and Christ-like. (And no: they are not emphasizing the Jesus who whipped people.)

What you have to remember is that this is the LDS Church; the Brethren can kick someone out for whatever reason they like--they can invent a reason, if they want to.
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I don't think any of the currently whining Mopologists will be facing Courts of Love or even more informal "discipline."

On the other hand, I doubt that any of them will ever be called to any higher church position than they have already held. DCP topped out at student ward bishop, which, in the Mormon constellation, is a bit of an honor.

However, I remain surprised the DCP still has a DesNews column and that the whole crew hasn't been called on senior missions to remote parts of the planet. Quite possibly locations with very sketchy internet access.

Whether a higher up is protecting them, I don't know but it seems like a likely explanation.

And the irony would be that an apostle is preventing particular individuals from being called on senior missions, if such is the case.
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What of the clandestine nature of Dr. Peterson's dismissal and how it was kept from the principals involved in the firings? This clash of organizational politics lacked transparency till the deed was done. Seems natural to question the ethics of such a coup.
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Robert D. Crockett of Latham & Watkins wrote:
I feel sorry for your family; I'm sure if they knew what you were doing anonymously to a respected person and to the Church, they'd have concerns.



Hello Yahoo,

I feel sorry for your family; I'm sure if they knew what you were doing to a respected person and to the Church, they'd have concerns.

Your friend in Christ,

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Re: Daniel C. Peterson Calls The Maxwell Institute Unethical

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Everybody Wang Chung wrote:Best and worst of 2012


In Daniel's comment to the article, he states:

DCP wrote:But — just to be clear — at that point I also resigned (I wasn’t fired) as director of “advancement” (fundraising) for the Maxwell Institute, because my dismissal as editor had expressly been described as part of a realignment of the Maxwell Institute that I felt I could not support (for, among others, ethical reasons).


DCP has now clearly crossed the Rubicon into open rebellion. It's only a matter of time before he is hauled into a disciplinary court.

He truly is the Willy Loman of Mopologetics.


What's the big deal....? Mormons are critical of other Mormons when there are "actual" wrongs committed.

For example, I've been critical of the "Mormon" Consiglieri for his anti-mormonism while Mormon, and I've been critical of the Mod's of MADB for banning me when I didn't actually do anything wrong.

We all have our ethics. Clearly Dan felt his ethics were not compatible to the ethics involved in the "re-alignment".

Further, you misrepresent. The lack of ethics of certain individuals in "certain ways" within a group, is not the same as an entire group or body as being "unethical". You misrepresent Daniel Peterson by claiming he calls the Maxwell Institute "unethical".

But what is new with anti's, lying is your trademark.
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