Texas cuts taxes, spending: Now surplus and booming economy

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Re: Texas cuts taxes, spending: Now surplus and booming econ

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ajax18 wrote:It's not about acheiving a utopia. People still get old, sick, and have lots of problems. The libertarian ideal is about accepting responsibility for your own life and the problems that come with it. Even if I get sick or can't work, it doesn't give me the right to steal what the man next to me has. He earned it. Whether he helps me or not is his perrogative. That is the only difference.


Start paddlin' to that artificial island ajax, you're goin' love it.

I just hope those uninspected support columns hold up because anyone's death diminishes me, therefore, send not to know for whom the bell tolls, it tolls for me and you and you and you and . . . . (with apologies to Donne.)
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ajax18 wrote:It's not about acheiving a utopia. People still get old, sick, and have lots of problems. The libertarian ideal is about accepting responsibility for your own life and the problems that come with it. Even if I get sick or can't work, it doesn't give me the right to steal what the man next to me has. He earned it. Whether he helps me or not is his perrogative. That is the only difference.


What's wrong with trying to achieve utopia? It seems like a good goal to shoot for, to me. Why not have the best living conditions for everyone possible?

Do you have private health insurance? It works on the principle that the young and healthy pay their premiums to fund the care of the very sick. Knowing that someday they will be the very sick and will receive healthcare in their turn. We all come to that.


What the man next to you knows (even if you do not) is that he will need financial help in paying for his healthcare. Unless he is VERY wealthy, he will not be able to pay that bill.

Public health care and private health care work the same way. People pay into them so that they will have resources for medical assistance. The difference is that private health care is concerned with making the most profit that they can. Public health care is concerned with the well being of all citizens.
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Re: Texas cuts taxes, spending: Now surplus and booming econ

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This is all a myth, of course:


Federal Spending, Public-Sector Jobs Have Buoyed Texas' Economy

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Wash. Post: Much Of Texas' Economic Strength "Has Come Because Of Government, Not In Spite Of It." From The Washington Post:

Perry says the "Texas miracle" rests on conservative pillars that he would bring to the White House: minimal regulation and government, low taxes and a determination to limit the reach of Uncle Sam.

What he does not say is that much of that job growth has come because of government, not in spite of it.

With a young and fast-growing population, a large and expanding military presence and an influx of federal stimulus money, the number of government jobs in Texas has grown at more than double the rate of private-sector employment during Perry's tenure. [The Washington Post, 8/20/11]


CNNMoney: Texas' 2010-11 Budget Filled "Nearly 97%" Of $6.6 Billion Deficit With Federal Stimulus Funds. From CNNMoney:

Turns out Texas was the state that depended the most on those very stimulus funds to plug nearly 97% of its shortfall for fiscal 2010, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures.

Texas, which crafts a budget every two years, was facing a $6.6 billion shortfall for its 2010-2011 fiscal years. It plugged nearly all of that deficit with $6.4 billion in Recovery Act money, allowing it to leave its $9.1 billion rainy day fund untouched.

"Stimulus was very helpful in getting them through the last few years," said Brian Sigritz, director of state fiscal studies for the National Association of State Budget Officers, said of Texas. [CNN.com, 1/24/11]



Read it all... http://mediamatters.org/research/2011/0 ... y-d/183211

See also this expose of the Texas myth: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/15/opini ... .html?_r=0

So what you need to know is that the Texas miracle is a myth, and more broadly that Texan experience offers no useful lessons on how to restore national full employment.

It’s true that Texas entered recession a bit later than the rest of America, mainly because the state’s still energy-heavy economy was buoyed by high oil prices through the first half of 2008. Also, Texas was spared the worst of the housing crisis, partly because it turns out to have surprisingly strict regulation of mortgage lending.

Despite all that, however, from mid-2008 onward unemployment soared in Texas, just as it did almost everywhere else.

In June 2011, the Texas unemployment rate was 8.2 percent. That was less than unemployment in collapsed-bubble states like California and Florida, but it was slightly higher than the unemployment rate in New York, and significantly higher than the rate in Massachusetts. By the way, one in four Texans lacks health insurance, the highest proportion in the nation, thanks largely to the state’s small-government approach. Meanwhile, Massachusetts has near-universal coverage thanks to health reform very similar to the “job-killing” Affordable Care Act.

So where does the notion of a Texas miracle come from? Mainly from widespread misunderstanding of the economic effects of population growth.

For this much is true about Texas: It has, for many decades, had much faster population growth than the rest of America — about twice as fast since 1990. Several factors underlie this rapid population growth: a high birth rate, immigration from Mexico, and inward migration of Americans from other states, who are attracted to Texas by its warm weather and low cost of living, low housing costs in particular.

And just to be clear, there’s nothing wrong with a low cost of living. In particular, there’s a good case to be made that zoning policies in many states unnecessarily restrict the supply of housing, and that this is one area where Texas does in fact do something right.

But what does population growth have to do with job growth? Well, the high rate of population growth translates into above-average job growth through a couple of channels. Many of the people moving to Texas — retirees in search of warm winters, middle-class Mexicans in search of a safer life — bring purchasing power that leads to greater local employment. At the same time, the rapid growth in the Texas work force keeps wages low — nearly 10 percent of hourly Texan workers earn the minimum wage or less, well above the national average — and these low wages give corporations an incentive to move production to the Lone Star State.

So Texas tends, in good years and bad, to have higher job growth than the rest of America. But it needs lots of new jobs just to keep up with its rising population — and as those unemployment comparisons show, recent employment growth has fallen well short of what’s needed.

If this picture doesn’t look very much like the glowing portrait Texas boosters like to paint, there’s a reason: the glowing portrait is false.

Still, does Texas job growth point the way to faster job growth in the nation as a whole? No.

What Texas shows is that a state offering cheap labor and, less important, weak regulation can attract jobs from other states. I believe that the appropriate response to this insight is “Well, duh.” The point is that arguing from this experience that depressing wages and dismantling regulation in America as a whole would create more jobs — which is, whatever Mr. Perry may say, what Perrynomics amounts to in practice — involves a fallacy of composition: every state can’t lure jobs away from every other state.

In fact, at a national level lower wages would almost certainly lead to fewer jobs — because they would leave working Americans even less able to cope with the overhang of debt left behind by the housing bubble, an overhang that is at the heart of our economic problem.

So when Mr. Perry presents himself as the candidate who knows how to create jobs, don’t believe him. His prescriptions for job creation would work about as well in practice as his prayer-based attempt to end Texas’s crippling drought.


But there is only so much you can blame on bcspace. He refuses to read actual news outlets, and prefers these propaganda outlets who are mostly responsible for creating these myths.
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ajax18 wrote:
what do you plan to do with all the liberals in those states, who dominate the larger cities? Kick them out?


I doubt the liberals would want to stay any more than conservatives want to stay in California. It seems to me like it would make both sides happier.


Californians recently voted to raise their taxes.

Californians approve massive tax hike on the wealthy:
http://money.cnn.com/2012/11/07/news/ec ... index.html

California Proposition 30, Sales and Income Tax Increase (2012):
http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/C ... %282012%29

Calif. sales tax rate to increase by a quarter-cent:
http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?secti ... id=8938686


California now clearly has the highest State sales tax rate in the Nation, which is now at 7.5%.
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Brackite wrote:
Californians recently voted to raise their taxes.

Californians approve massive tax hike on the wealthy:
http://money.cnn.com/2012/11/07/news/ec ... index.html

California Proposition 30, Sales and Income Tax Increase (2012):
http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/C ... %282012%29

Calif. sales tax rate to increase by a quarter-cent:
http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?secti ... id=8938686


California now clearly has the highest State sales tax rate in the Nation, which is now at 7.5%.


I think Tennessee still has that honor with a combined rate of 9.44%. Also, the higher tax rate in CA is an effort to make up for the short come due to lower property tax rate increases (proposition 13... Howard Jarvis).

California does not tax food products that are prepared at home (groceries). Some states still do.
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Quasimodo wrote:What's wrong with trying to achieve utopia? It seems like a good goal to shoot for, to me. Why not have the best living conditions for everyone possible?

Do you have private health insurance? It works on the principle that the young and healthy pay their premiums to fund the care of the very sick. Knowing that someday they will be the very sick and will receive healthcare in their turn. We all come to that.


What the man next to you knows (even if you do not) is that he will need financial help in paying for his healthcare. Unless he is VERY wealthy, he will not be able to pay that bill.

Public health care and private health care work the same way. People pay into them so that they will have resources for medical assistance. The difference is that private health care is concerned with making the most profit that they can. Public health care is concerned with the well being of all citizens.


Neither public health services or health insurance plans are utopias.

Every real attempt at a utopia has ended up a distopia. Utopias tend towards despotism. You could start be discussing Marx, or by discussing Joseph Smith or by discussing Lenin or by discussing Mao or by discussing Jim Jones or by discussing Brigham Young or by discussing David Koresh.

In order to have a utopia you need perfect people. That's not going to happen.

That doesn't mean that we should make health care a basic human right.
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Public health care is concerned with the well being of all citizens.


I just hope public healthcare doesn't sink to the level that public education has. People don't want to be teachers for a reason.
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ajax18 wrote:
Public health care is concerned with the well being of all citizens.


I just hope public healthcare doesn't sink to the level that public education has. People don't want to be teachers for a reason.


Show your stats on that people don't want to become teachers thing.
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lulu wrote:Neither public health services or health insurance plans are utopias.

Every real attempt at a utopia has ended up a distopia. Utopias tend towards despotism. You could start be discussing Marx, or by discussing Joseph Smith or by discussing Lenin or by discussing Mao or by discussing Jim Jones or by discussing Brigham Young or by discussing David Koresh.

In order to have a utopia you need perfect people. That's not going to happen.

That doesn't mean that we should make health care a basic human right.


I agree that nothing is perfect. I think Marx's heart was probably in the right place, but Communism was and is a failure due to what you just said. People in general are not saintly enough to pull it off. The self serving usually win out.

My thought was that a society that strives towards the best for all people might not be a bad idea, in whatever way that it can be accomplished and still maintain individual rights.

Rule of Law (our system) seems to work best and the lack of it was the major failure of the early Communist countries.

Attempts at a utopian society are ongoing (even in this country). All first world countries hope to attain that. They just have different ideas of what utopia is and how to accomplish it.
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ajax18 wrote:
I just hope public healthcare doesn't sink to the level that public education has. People don't want to be teachers for a reason.


Because it doesn't pay commensurately with the education needed to become a teacher. If you, ajax, kick a little more in :biggrin: , we can look forward to more qualified people seeking a teaching profession.

If public healthcare works as well as Medicare, I'll be more than happy.
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