Mormonism and polytheism

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Re: Mormonism and polytheism

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consiglieri wrote:
Little black binders?


Okay. That's funny.
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consiglieri wrote:Thanks for the clarification, Just Me.

Now that you mention it, it does ring a bell.

I tried to pay attention to the debates, but after the first one, the rest were pretty boring to me.

But a guy with binders full of women can't be all bad.

Little black binders?

All the Best!

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I didn't mean to make fun of you. I couldn't resist.
I've enjoyed reading your responses even if I don't agree.

From what I read your comments you seem like an ever-so-likable fella.
(I really could not resist.)
:redface:

I visualize Mitt's binders as large red ones with lots of cobwebs all over them.

Your little black binders comment was funny.
Mind you, given the comparative number of women in politics I suspect there are cobwebs on those binders too.
:sad:
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Brigham Young, second LDS Prophet, said, "Who can tell us of the inhabitants of this little planet that shines of an evening, called the Moon?... When you inquire about the inhabitants of that sphere you find that the most learned are as ignorant in regard to them as the most ignorant of their fellows. So it is with regard to the inhabitants of the sun. Do you think it is inhabited? I rather think it is. Do you think there is any life there? No question about it; it was not made in vain" (J. of D., Vol. XIII, p. 271). Young also said, "I have never yet preached a sermon and sent it out to the children of men, that they may not call Scripture" (Ibid., p. 95). This "scripture" about men on the moon as well as the sun by Brigham Young ought to raise eyebrows about Brigham Young's inspired messages.

Oliver B. Huntington, a devout LDS contemporary of Joseph Smith, said that Smith taught, "The inhabitants of the moon are more of a uniform size than the inhabitants of the earth, being six feet in height. They dress very much like the Quaker style and are quite general in style or fashion of dress. They live to be very old; coming generally; near a thousand years. This is the description of them as given by Joseph (Smith) the Seer, and he could see whatever he asked the Father in the name of Jesus to see" (Journal of Oliver B. Huntington, Vol. II, p. 166). That is not what the astronauts found when they went to the moon!

EARTH TO BE A CELESTIAL SUN. It is my opinion that the great stars that we see, including our sun, are celestial worlds; at least worlds that have passed on to their exaltation or other final resurrected status. This is in conflict, of course, with the teachings of scientific men, who declare that the sun is losing its energy and gradually cooling off and will eventually be a dead world. I do not believe the Lord has any such thing in his plan. The Lord lives in "everlasting burnings" we are informed. President Brigham Young has said that this earth when it is celestialized will shine like the sun, and why not?

"If the people could fully understand this matter," he said, "they would perceive that it is perfectly reasonable and has been the law of all worlds. And this world, so benighted at present, and so lightly esteemed by infidels, as observed by Brother Clements, when it becomes celestialized, it will be like the sun, and be prepared for the habitation of the saints, and be brought back into the presence of the Father and the Son. It will not then be an opaque body as it now is, but it will be like the stars of the firmament, full of light and glory; it will be a body of light. John compared it, in its celestialized state, to a sea of glass."

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Mittens wrote:B
Oliver B. Huntington, a devout LDS contemporary of Joseph Smith, said that Smith taught, "The inhabitants of the moon are more of a uniform size than the inhabitants of the earth, being six feet in height. They dress very much like the Quaker style and are quite general in style or fashion of dress. They live to be very old; coming generally; near a thousand years. This is the description of them as given by Joseph (Smith) the Seer, and he could see whatever he asked the Father in the name of Jesus to see" (Journal of Oliver B. Huntington, Vol. II, p. 166). That is not what the astronauts found when they went to the moon!


Doctrines of Salvation Vol. 1 pp 88-89 Joseph Fielding Smith



Thanks for clarifying this detail. For some reason I always retell it in a way that he claimed there were ACTUAL quakers on the moon. I must take better care in future. They only dressed like quakers.
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Joan wrote:
Mittens wrote:B
Oliver B. Huntington, a devout LDS contemporary of Joseph Smith, said that Smith taught, "The inhabitants of the moon are more of a uniform size than the inhabitants of the earth, being six feet in height. They dress very much like the Quaker style and are quite general in style or fashion of dress. They live to be very old; coming generally; near a thousand years. This is the description of them as given by Joseph (Smith) the Seer, and he could see whatever he asked the Father in the name of Jesus to see" (Journal of Oliver B. Huntington, Vol. II, p. 166). That is not what the astronauts found when they went to the moon!


Doctrines of Salvation Vol. 1 pp 88-89 Joseph Fielding Smith



Thanks for clarifying this detail. For some reason I always retell it in a way that he claimed there were ACTUAL quakers on the moon. I must take better care in future. They only dressed like quakers.


That is funny coming from someone that doesn't believe anything a member of the Mormon Church has ever said. Here she'll take one uncorroborated account written over 40 years later over the whole of the History of the Church and everything else. Joan pretty much ignores anything that doesn't fit her preconceived fanciful notions or makes up her own stories about what happened or gets the facts completely wrong.

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Tobin wrote:Here she'll take one uncorroborated account written over 40 years later over the whole of the History of the Church and everything else. Joan pretty much ignores anything that doesn't fit her preconceived fanciful notions or makes up her own stories about what happened or gets the facts completely wrong.


NOT just "one uncorroborated account"

http://mormonitemusings.com/2011/12/23/ ... e-mormons/
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grindael wrote:
Tobin wrote:Here she'll take one uncorroborated account written over 40 years later over the whole of the History of the Church and everything else. Joan pretty much ignores anything that doesn't fit her preconceived fanciful notions or makes up her own stories about what happened or gets the facts completely wrong.


NOT just "one uncorroborated account"

http://mormonitemusings.com/2011/12/23/ ... e-mormons/


As I said, one uncorroborated account. I'd like you to point out any other people that heard this or recorded it anywhere. The problem with you gindael seems to be you either don't understand English or you don't read any of the material you link to.
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Click on the link. It's all there. Unfortunately you don't understand the word uncorroborated. It means, lacking confirmation or evidence. There is evidence that Smith taught this, and so did his brother and Brigham Young. And Jo was there when his brother taught it.
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grindael wrote:Click on the link. It's all there.


I did and asked you to provide a quote other than Oliver B. Huntington that can corroborate that Joseph Smith said this. So far I see nothing from you. The fact you have been unable to respond or provide a quote means what I stated about you is very accurate.
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Nope you said ONLY ONE UNCORROBORATED ACCOUNT. In fact you NEVER mentioned Joseph Smith. You said,

I'd like you to point out any other people that heard this or recorded it anywhere.


There is corroborating evidence that he did teach it, and that it was taught right in front of him by his brother. I did exactly what you asked. It is YOU TOBIN, that can't understand what you yourself write. Just more gobbledegook.
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