"Losing our Religion" on NPR

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Re: "Losing our Religion" on NPR

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ludwigm wrote:Thank You again. I have it and use frequently. On this site it is not omissible.

Ludwig,

Thought you meant "admissible" (to be allowed), which is probably what you did mean.

My spell checker indicated that "omissible" was not a word in the English language. However, knowing that you check such things, I decided to check as well.

Turns out that "omissible" is actually a legal term which means "possible to omit." (Attorneys on this board would certainly know this, but I didn't.)

It would seem that I'm now learning English from a Hungarian. :eek:
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Re: "Losing our Religion" on NPR

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DrW wrote:When was the last time you visited Iran?

how is that an answer to the question posted to you?
and how is it that you can not answer a simple question about your own opinion? Since you consider there to be a "problem" then why not state the problem...instead of the rather inept posturing that your posts tend to take, why not get outside the box and actually bring some substance into support for your opinion? you might find it refreshing.
It sure would beat pandering to that dilettante of an old Belgian, who lacking the ability to post profane images now relies on regurgitation....personally Ambrose Bierce's Devil's Dictionary is more insightful, witty, and concise than the majority of the veiled and offhanded vitriolic posts i read from either of you gents.
But to fair, when your posts degrade to side-bars of contemptuous incest - it is funny...as funny a hubris ever gets.

:biggrin:
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Re: "Losing our Religion" on NPR

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ludwigm wrote:Critical error #0001: no system on default drive

viewtopic.php?p=675188#p675188
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Re: "Losing our Religion" on NPR

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DrW wrote:When was the last time you visited Iran?

subgenius wrote:how is that an answer to the question posted to you?
and how is it that you can not answer a simple question about your own opinion? Since you consider there to be a "problem" then why not state the problem...instead of the rather inept posturing that your posts tend to take, why not get outside the box and actually bring some substance into support for your opinion? you might find it refreshing.

The following facts concerning the problems with religion in Iran were the basis for my question. Anyone who pays attention to the news or reads about politics or world history now and then should know at least some of this. Apparently you do do not.

• Iran is a theocracy that mixes religion and state more thoroughly than any other country in the world.

• Shiite Islam (the dominant form of Islam in Iran) gives a special place to its clerics and demands blind obedience to their rulings on religious law.

• Since 1979, the Islamic Republic has imposed a strongly patriarchal order.

• The contemporary Shiite revival has given Iran influence in the Muslim world and especially among other Shiite communities in the Arab world and South Asia, challenging the Sunni secular nationalists and traditional monarchies.

Iran is clearly not a country that one should be proud of overtaking in terms of religiosity. Apparently the fact that Americans are slightly more religious than Iranians is a point of pride for you. Think about it.

Last time I was in Tehran, the taxi in which I was riding was stopped at a checkpoint near the airport at night. Two bright lights came on from the floor behind the front seat. They were mounted so as to point up into the rear passenger's face so that the passenger was essentially blind to anything outside the cab. The muzzle of an automatic weapon was thrust through the rear window and I was ordered to show my passport and visa to someone I could not even see. One small example of Iranian theocracy at work.
subgenius wrote: It sure would beat pandering to that dilettante of an old Belgian, who lacking the ability to post profane images now relies on regurgitation....personally Ambrose Bierce's Devil's Dictionary is more insightful, witty, and concise than the majority of the veiled and offhanded vitriolic posts i read from either of you gents.

If you are referring to Ludwig, he is Hungarian, not Belgian (although I am not surprised that you appear not to know the difference).

Turns out that Ludwig and I share a number of common experiences. Both of us served in the military during the Cold War era. Both of us have worked professionally in physics and engineering (and specifically with microwaves and electromagnetic field phenomenon). Both of us apparently think a lot of Hungarians (an attitude based on long experience).

If you think Ludwig is a dilettante, I would suggest that you have this miss-perception because you do not have a clue as to what he actually knows and understands.

Try to imagine what the average Hungarian would think about you and your demonstrably bizarre Mormon-based worldview if you tried to describe or explain it on a Hungarian language message board. Your apparent dislike of English language sentence structure, failure to capitalize, etc., don't reflect well on your efforts in your own native language. You can bet that Ludwig writes better in Hungarian (and perhaps even in German or Russian), than you do on this board in English.
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Re: "Losing our Religion" on NPR

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subgenius wrote:
palerobber wrote:*yawn*

I'm pretty sure the world will still revolve without church basketball, trunk or treat night, and phone calls to collect visiting teaching numbers.

rather myopic conclusions.....it will also still revolve without gay marriage.....and whatever the current scientific study is going on...etc...it will likely keep revolving until it stops......hardly the point....
the point is are you prepared to be that simple minding your own business Mayan that one day looks up and sees a Conquistador lop the head of the King-God?
(because, in this scenario, you are most certainly the Mayan and not the Spaniard)


ok, you got me. i have no idea what the point of your hand wringing is. at first i was sensing Mad Max from you. now you're hinting at that old anti-muslim Clash of Civilizations nonsense. i give up.
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Re: "Losing our Religion" on NPR

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Ehm .. er .. um ..

Kh, kh ..

I don't know what to say...

DrW wrote:The following facts concerning the problems with religion in Iran ...
In my past, I used to kill time in another country nearby. 18 months, call it a mission. (I have an oath not to reveal the place, in the next 80 years, when I would be >120 yo)
They don't drink vodka. Be it enough about that folks.


DrW wrote:If you are referring to Ludwig, he is Hungarian, not Belgian (although I am not surprised that you appear not to know the difference).
Hercule Poirot. My pet crime stories of Agatha Christie, with David Suchet.
The perpetrator (will be arrested ten seconds later):
- You, you ... small, hideous, stupid, dirty, ... French! !!!
Poirot:
- I am not French. I am Belgian.

to know the difference : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cey35bBWXls
(3rd grade world geography, "Budapest is the capital of what european country" ... I don't like videos but it is only 3 minute - and the little boy rulez)


DrW wrote:Turns out that Ludwig and I share a number of common experiences.
I am always happy to find a pal.


DrW wrote:If you think Ludwig is a dilettante, I would suggest that --->
>--- it is true.



Last but not least, I should toe the mark (is it a military expression?)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwtdhWltSIg ( 4' of R.E.M. ...)
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Re: "Losing our Religion" on NPR

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ludwigm wrote:.

DrW wrote:The following facts concerning the problems with religion in Iran ...
In my past, I used to kill time in another country nearby. 18 months, call it a mission. (I have an oath not to reveal the place, in the next 80 years, when I would be >120 yo)
They don't drink vodka. Be it enough about that folks.

Spent time in Afghanistan? (I know - you could tell me but then you would have to shoot me.)

Anyway, hope you enjoyed it (but seriously doubt that was the case).
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Re: "Losing our Religion" on NPR

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DrW wrote:Spent time in Afghanistan? (I know - you could tell me but then you would have to shoot me.)

Anyway, hope you enjoyed it (but seriously doubt that was the case).


I've never met anyone with a security clearance who goes around bragging about the things they cannot say. Interesting. by the way, why did you plagiarize?
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Re: "Losing our Religion" on NPR

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DrW wrote:The following facts concerning the problems with religion in Iran were the basis for my question. Anyone who pays attention to the news or reads about politics or world history now and then should know at least some of this. Apparently you do do not.

• Iran is a theocracy that mixes religion and state more thoroughly than any other country in the world.

• Shiite Islam (the dominant form of Islam in Iran) gives a special place to its clerics and demands blind obedience to their rulings on religious law.

• Since 1979, the Islamic Republic has imposed a strongly patriarchal order.

• The contemporary Shiite revival has given Iran influence in the Muslim world and especially among other Shiite communities in the Arab world and South Asia, challenging the Sunni secular nationalists and traditional monarchies.

Iran is clearly not a country that one should be proud of overtaking in terms of religiosity. Apparently the fact that Americans are slightly more religious than Iranians is a point of pride for you. Think about it.


Shi'ism is one of my favorite faiths, it is complex, developed, flexible, and represents some of the most progressive possibilities in Islam. I agree that it should be studied with passion. Unfortunately, you have done none of this.

You insultingly said...

"Anyone who pays attention to the news or reads about politics or world history now and then should know at least some of this. Apparently you do not."

You do none of this either. The information above is interestingly the same as this...

•Iran is a theocracy that mixes religion and state more thoroughly than any other country in the world.
•Shiite Islam gives a special place to its clerics and demands blind obedience to their rulings on religious law.
•The commemoration of the martyrdom of holy figures is central to Shiite religious sensibilities and plays out in Iran’s populist politics.
•Since 1979, the Islamic Republic has imposed a strongly patriarchal order, but pious women have found ways to assert themselves in society and education.
•The contemporary Shiite revival has given Iran influence in the Muslim world and especially among other Shiite communities in the Arab world and South Asia, challenging the Sunni secular nationalists and traditional monarchies.


Which is taken directly from here...

http://iranprimer.usip.org/resource/iran-and-islam

Juan Cole is an excellent author, but don't plagiarize him and pass yourself off as well studied. It is insulting to others, but also to yourself. If you actually have a doctorate, you certainly should know better, and it diminishes you to behave so inappropriately.
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Re: "Losing our Religion" on NPR

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Bhodi wrote:
DrW wrote:The following facts concerning the problems with religion in Iran were the basis for my question. Anyone who pays attention to the news or reads about politics or world history now and then should know at least some of this. Apparently you do do not.

• Iran is a theocracy that mixes religion and state more thoroughly than any other country in the world.

• Shiite Islam (the dominant form of Islam in Iran) gives a special place to its clerics and demands blind obedience to their rulings on religious law.

• Since 1979, the Islamic Republic has imposed a strongly patriarchal order.

• The contemporary Shiite revival has given Iran influence in the Muslim world and especially among other Shiite communities in the Arab world and South Asia, challenging the Sunni secular nationalists and traditional monarchies.

Iran is clearly not a country that one should be proud of overtaking in terms of religiosity. Apparently the fact that Americans are slightly more religious than Iranians is a point of pride for you. Think about it.


Shi'ism is one of my favorite faiths, it is complex, developed, flexible, and represents some of the most progressive possibilities in Islam. I agree that it should be studied with passion. Unfortunately, you have done none of this.

You insultingly said...

"Anyone who pays attention to the news or reads about politics or world history now and then should know at least some of this. Apparently you do not."

You do none of this either. The information above is interestingly the same as this...

•Iran is a theocracy that mixes religion and state more thoroughly than any other country in the world.
•Shiite Islam gives a special place to its clerics and demands blind obedience to their rulings on religious law.
•The commemoration of the martyrdom of holy figures is central to Shiite religious sensibilities and plays out in Iran’s populist politics.
•Since 1979, the Islamic Republic has imposed a strongly patriarchal order, but pious women have found ways to assert themselves in society and education.
•The contemporary Shiite revival has given Iran influence in the Muslim world and especially among other Shiite communities in the Arab world and South Asia, challenging the Sunni secular nationalists and traditional monarchies.


Which is taken directly from here...

http://iranprimer.usip.org/resource/iran-and-islam

Juan Cole is an excellent author, but don't plagiarize him and pass yourself off as well studied. It is insulting to others, but also to yourself. If you actually have a doctorate, you certainly should know better, and it diminishes you to behave so inappropriately.

You are correct. Although what I posted was selected from the website because it should be common knowledge, I should have provided the website URL for reference. Thank you for doing so.
David Hume: "---Mistakes in philosophy are merely ridiculous, those in religion are dangerous."

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