KG loves FOX News...

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KG loves FOX News...

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...almost as much as MSNBC, but MSNBC goes the extra mile....

On Martin Bashir's program on MSNBC, the edit makes it appear that Mr. Heslin was arbitrarily interrupted by members of the audience instead of them responding to his question.

Martin Bashir later went on to say that Heslin was "interrupted by the cries of a heckler".

Heslin spoke for a total of fifteen minutes, twenty-nine seconds and the audience response to a direct question from him lasted for less than six seconds of his time.


LINK to video comparison HERE

Liberal censorship and bias reporting?!?! wha??

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The silence is definitely a confirmation that MSNBC's actions are indefensible.
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subgenius wrote:The silence is definitely a confirmation that MSNBC's actions are indefensible.


Then again, the silence might also mean that that no one is very much interested in answering your posts. Just a thought.
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subgenius wrote:The silence is definitely a confirmation that MSNBC's actions are indefensible.

I did not watch the msnbc program but I did see Hannity expressing outrage over what in his presentation did not appear to amount to a molehill though Hannity imagined a mountain. Indifference is all I feel about the matter.
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The audience was informed they were not to speak during his testimony. The question was obviously a rhetorical one and once the heckler started interrupting he was quickly reminded by someone with a microphone that no one else was allowed to speak. Everyone seemed shocked that someone actually had the audacity to respond to what was clearly a rhetorical question.

Subgenius proves once again just how daft he can be as Bashir's description was dead on. This is just typical insensitivity from the Right. A man mourning the loss of his child, and you want to interrupt with political rhetoric? Sigh!

But even if this one example did prove MSNBC has an agenda and us willing to misrepresent the truth, it still doesn't compare to the ubiquitous examples occurring daily on Fox news. We are talking no comparison, in either frequency or degree.

For example show me a comparable instance from MSNBC with this.... four years ago [urlhttp://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2010/12/fox_news_vp_dont_call_the_gove.html]a memo from FOX VP is leaked[/url] ordering all FOX News hosts to refer to Obama's healthcare proposal as "government run gealthcare." This was the straw that broke the camel's back for me.
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Incidentally, subgenius links us to the Media Research Center, which is the Right Wing's desperate attempt to emulate Media Matters for America, without the integrity. On a December 22, 2011, Media Research Center president Bozell appeared on Fox News and suggested U.S. President Barack Obama looks like a "skinny ghetto crackhead." Just to give you some idea how partisan this outfit really is.
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As I was saying, the kind of thing subgenius is desperately wanting to pin on MSNBC is something that happens on a regular basis over at FOX.

Fox's Hannity Lauds Sen. Cruz' Deceptive Attack On Chuck Hagel

Fox News host Sean Hannity applauded Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) for his attack on Secretary of Defense nominee Chuck Hagel, claiming that Cruz' questioning during the Hagel's hearing demonstrated that he had made anti-American and anti-Semitic comments. But Cruz' claim that Hagel had accused Israel of a "sickening slaughter" was based on distorted quotes from heavily cropped sound clips.


Very much like the "you didn't build that" meme that FOX was responsible for fabricating using highly edited footage.

I mean really, there is no comparison between FOX and MSNBC when it comes to this stuff. You may find an example every once in a while at MSNBC, but never to the point that you begin to wonder if these news hosts occasionally play with their own poop.
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Kevin Graham wrote:The audience was informed they were not to speak during his testimony. The question was obviously a rhetorical one and once the heckler started interrupting he was quickly reminded by someone with a microphone that no one else was to be speaking. Subgenius proves once again just how daft he can be as Bashir's description was dead on. This is just typical insensitivity from the Right. A man mourning the loss of his child, and you want to interrupt with political rhetoric? Sigh!

once again you post absolute balderdash!

"When the full version was revealed, all the media outlets retracted their mischaracterization of the gun rights advocates—except for MSNBC."


anyone watching sees that the man as not being rhetorical, and he even acknowledged the response from the audience, not just one person, but a few members of the audience. Then, rightly so, the moderator requests silence from the audience.
Regardless, there is absolutely no reason to characterize what occurred as "heckling" - plain and simple - only your bunker mentality would consider otherwise.
....and to be matter of fact about the situation it was not, is not, nor should be a forum for anyone to "mourn". He was not invited to testify in order to facilitate a healing process...at best it was a dog and pony show, which makes that committee even more shameful than MSNBC and FOX combined.
Once again we see the hypocrisy of people that insist that emotion is a bias and misleading aspect of our society, yet the insist on parading it when it suits their cause.

Of course, not the first time we have seen this type of "reporting" from MSNBC
Zimmerman was a victim of their creative editing
Romney and the sandwich machine was a victim as well
etc...
So, it is either intentional or just simple incompetence and sloppiness....you decide.

Kevin Graham wrote:But even if this one example did prove MSNBC has an agenda and us willing to misrepresent the truth, it still doesn't compare to the ubiquitous examples occurring daily on Fox news. We are talking no comparison, in either frequency or degree.

O.K. so we now see that the "lesser of two evils" is your compass....got it!

Kevin Graham wrote:For example show me a comparable instance from MSNBC with this.... four years ago [urlhttp://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2010/12/fox_news_vp_dont_call_the_gove.html]a memo from FOX VP is leaked[/url] ordering all FOX News hosts to refer to Obama's healthcare proposal as "government run gealthcare." This was the straw that broke the camel's back for me.

now you reek of desperation, embarrassed by your naïvété - you desperately deflect.

But hey...just for giggles....here is your comparable instance(s)
Like shooting a fish in a barrell -

1. November of 2007, the president of MSNBC, Phil Griffin, flat out admitted that the network has a left-wing liberal bias
"Officials at MSNBC emphasize that they never set out to create a liberal version of Fox News.
“It happened naturally,” Phil Griffin, a senior vice president of NBC News who is the executive in charge of MSNBC, said Friday, referring specifically to the channel’s passion and point of view from 7 to 10 p.m. “There isn’t a dogma we’re putting through. There is a ‘Go for it.’”"

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/06/busin ... ref=slogin

2. MSNBC fired talk-show host Phil Donahue. An internal memo read, in part, "Donahue represents a difficult public face for NBC in a time of war. At the same time, our competitors are waving the flag at every opportunity."http://mediamatters.org/research/2004/10/29/phil-donahue-on-his-2003-msnbc-firing-we-had-to/132200
http://www.democracynow.org/2005/3/24/p ... _emergency

not to mention that MSNBC is quickly becoming nothing more than a mouthpiece for mediamatters.


Face it, the only difference between you and a FOX news viewer is......well....nothing.


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Heavens Kevin, you are seriously in the Kook Aid..... :eek:

The question may have been originally intended as rhetorical, but he clearly waits, looks around clearly looking for an ACTUAL RESPONSE. The question ultimately wasn't rhetorical at all.

You are further in the kool aid for you think "claims" of misrepresentation by your liberal friends is the same thing as actual misrepresentation. Everyone knows Hagel hasn't been misrepresented, he's LONG been a Rino having leftist views.

By the way, do you want to attack the "Hollywood Reporter" as being somehow "conservative" and thus lying and not worth reading?

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/m ... ers-416977
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anyone watching sees that the man as not being rhetorical


It was absolutely rhetorical, and anyone who understands what a rhetorical question is, would know that. Plus, you're ignoring the context in which this remark was made. This wasn't a political debate, like your silly Right Wing outfit was trying to make it appear; by complaining that the respondent only had six seconds compared to the grieving father's whopping 15 minutes and 29 seconds. Oh the injustice!

This was a testimony before legislators, and anyone familiar with these events knows that people in the audience are not permitted to speak. The fact that someone did, makes him a heckler, because he was certainly informed of that prior to the hearing. He knew he wasn't going to be able to get much in before being shot down by someone in authority. But he tried anyway because political grandstanding was more important to him.

Your website claims, "the edit makes it appear that Mr. Heslin was arbitrarily interrupted by members of the audience instead of them responding to his question." But this isn't true at all. Even in Bashir's edit, we can still see that the man was asking a question beginning with the word "why". The editing from that point on probably had more to do with the fact that time is a factor on these shows, and there were 10-15 seconds edited out, most of which involved a long pause and a repeat of the question. I saw the entire video and see nothing wrong with Bashir's description, given the nature of these hearings and the context in which this sensitive subject was being addressed.

O.K. so we now see that the "lesser of two evils" is your compass....got it!


Hardly. I'm saying there is no real comparison between the two beyond the fact that they're both on TV. You're just desperately trying to create a sense of equivalence where there is none. MSNBC hires highly educated folks to run their programs and they have a fair sense of what journalistic integrity is about. I don't watch the Bashir show, but I am a fan of Rachel Maddow. FOX on the other hand, is nothing more than Roger Ailes' little propaganda platform and he hires folks who have zero education, but are known for riling up emotions over the radio. They have been busted day in and day out for creating news rather than reporting on it.

Mediamatters.org is bombarded with examples that are addressed on a daily basis. Your silly media research center can't come up with anything equal to that. Indeed, if this is the best you've got, then it shows just how desperate they really are, and how they need to spin this into an issue just because Sean Hannity says it is.

now you reek of desperation, embarrassed by your naïveté - you desperately deflect.


Deflect? I'm addressing your point, indeed refuting it. Your point is that the two are equal. Well, if that's true, then you should have no problem providing equal examples. So far you haven't even come close. I could go all day with these FOX examples, as more examples are produced regularly.

But hey...just for giggles....here is your comparable instance(s)


So six years ago MSNBC President admitted there "is no dogma," just a philosophy of "go for it," and it turned out to be a Liberal equivalent of FOX (in the sense that it was an outlet that appealed to educated, Liberals, as opposed to racist, bigoted, and uneducated Right Wingers). And a full decade ago Phil Donahue, a disgruntled former employee goes on the Sean Hannity show to bitch about being fired because MSNBC was trying to have a more Conservative view and they considered him to be too Liberal. Are you really so stupid that you don't realize how this example refutes the point you think you're making? And you just used a mediamatters piece while at the same time complaining about its bias!

I figured you'd be able to produce at least some valid examples, and something more recent than five and ten years ago. Guess not. ROFL!
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