KG loves FOX News...

[_Molok]

Incidentally, subgenius links us to the Media Research Center, which is the Right Wing's desperate attempt to emulate Media Matters for America, without the integrity. On a December 22, 2011, Media Research Center president Bozell appeared on Fox News and suggested U.S. President Barack Obama looks like a "skinny ghetto crackhead." Just to give you some idea how partisan this outfit really is.

Is the Bozell mentioned here Brent Bozell III? Wasn't his mom the one who broke into an abortion clinic swinging a giant wooden cross and screaming at everyone? Great family, by the way. Crazier than a shithouse brick.

[_subgenius]

snip...Crazier than a shithouse brick.

is this actually an accurate measure of crazy?

[_subgenius]

I think it is apparent that the claim in the OP about KG is accurate.

key phrase:

"Liberal Version of FOX News"

[_Brackite]

But even if this one example did prove MSNBC has an agenda and us willing to misrepresent the truth, it still doesn't compare to the ubiquitous examples occurring daily on Fox news. We are talking no comparison, in either frequency or degree.

Both Candidates Received More Negative than Positive Coverage in Mainstream News, but Social Media Was Even Harsher:
http://www.journalism.org/analysis_repo ... paign_2012



MSNBC really is more partisan than Fox, according to Pew study:
http://www.baltimoresun.com/entertainme ... 6571.story



Pew Study: MSNBC far more biased than Fox News:
http://www.ijreview.com/2012/11/21272-p ... -fox-news/

According to the Pew Research Center, it seems viewers aren’t crazy thinking that Fox News is conservative while MSNBC is liberal. Of course, Fox News says they’re ‘fair and balanced’, but even their most loyal viewers fully admit that Fox News caters to conservatively-minded folks. MSNBC, on the other hand, seems to be under the belief that they’ve fooled the American people into thinking that they ‘fairly’ report the ‘facts’. Judging by the stats, MSNBC is nowhere even close to being an ethical news source.

Let’s look at the findings, shall we…

Fox News obviously delivers conservative talking points on the regular, given that the majority of their pundits, reporters, and analysts are in the tank for the conservative agenda. Just how bad is Fox News at ‘keeping it real’? Pew found that,

"The ratio of negative to positive stories in Fox’s coverage of President Obama was 46 to 6."

…according to a recent Baltimore Sun editorial piece.

However, the Baltimore Sun also reports:

"On MSNBC, the ratio of negative to positive stories on GOP candidate Mitt Romney was 71 to 3."

To which the writer, David Zurawik, adds,

"That’s not a news channel. That’s a propaganda machine, and owner Comcast should probably change Phil Griffin’s title from president to high minister of information, or something equally befitting the work of a party propaganist hack in a totalitarian regime. You wonder how mainstream news organizations allow their reporters and corrdespondents to appear in such a cauldron of bias."

So, there you have it, folks. MSNBC is far more biased than Fox News, according to Pew. If you must talk to a liberal, and they say that their news sources aren’t biased, simply refer them to this study. You may either shut them up, or convince them to your way of thinking …it’s a win-win.

[_Kevin Graham]

Brackite, the logic behind that pew article is the same kind of logic Droopy uses to determine fact check websites must be liberal. Why? Because they tend to find more fault with conservatives lying.

But maybe that's because Right Wingers happen to tell more falsehoods? Just maybe?

Likewise, MSNBC reported more on the negatives of things Mitt Romney said, but maybe that was due to the fact that Romney was a gaffe machine? And FOX has a tendency to run to his defense rather than hold him accountable? This doesn't prove MSNBC is "more biased" unless you're referring to being more biased towards truth and accountability. All you did was prove MSNBC was willing to hold the Republicans accountable for their statements, more so than FOX. You haven't demonstrated any evidence of manufacturing scandals, promoting baseless conspiracy theories, fabricating evidence, etc. All the things FOX is notorious for.

Having said that, no one ever said MSNBC isn't biased. The issue is whether their bias leads to them engaging in the kinds of willful misrepresentations of the data, in order to propagate a political point.

We see this on FOX News every day.

Subgenius has been desperately grasping at straws trying to equate the two but he has yet to produce a single example of egregious misrepresentation such as what happens on FOX every week. Now he is clinching to a sound bite from five years ago:

Officials at MSNBC emphasize that they never set out to create a liberal version of Fox News.

“It happened naturally,” Phil Griffin, a senior vice president of NBC News who is the executive in charge of MSNBC, said Friday, referring specifically to the channel’s passion and point of view from 7 to 10 p.m. “There isn’t a dogma we’re putting through. There is a ‘Go for it.’”

Of course it is ludicrous to think Griffin was referring to FOX's lack of integrity and willingness to lie. All he said was that there was no plan to have a liberal bias. They just hired highly educated folks to run the shows and obviously, highly educated folks tend to be liberal. Simple as that. The fact that he said there is no dogma nor intention to be liberal, makes it very different from FOX. These hosts on MSNBC don't get their daily marching orders from the CEO as FOX Hosts do.

[_Kevin Graham]

If you want more context, how about this. From Lawrence O'Donnell's show:

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/45755883/ns/m ... /#50634466

Funny how he has no problem arguing for heckling while showing all the context subgenius said must be edited out in order to make that argument. The video on his website was clearer and there were actually numerous hecklers not just one. I could hear at least four difference voices speaking over one another about the second amendment, before they were told to be silent. That's heckling.

And as O'Donnell points out, no one answered the question. No one could answer WHY they needed an AR-15 assault rifle. All they did was rant about the second amendment.

[_Kevin Graham]

2012: A Year Of Gas Price Fibs On Fox

In 2012, like most years, U.S. gasoline prices fluctuated according to global market conditions, seasonal changes in demand and several other factors. Fox News fluctuated too, finding bad -- often contradictory -- news in the ups and downs alike. No matter which way gas prices went, the network always found a way to forecast doom for the economy and pin it on Obama. But experts agree that no president can control gas prices.



As Gas Prices Rise, Fox News Launches Relentless Campaign To Falsely Blame Obama

Early in the year, Fox News launched a relentless campaign to pin unseasonably high gasoline prices on President Obama. The network had tried this before, but this time the coverage reached a fever pitch. During the first two months of 2012, Fox News blamed gas prices on Obama more than three times as often as all other major news outlets combined, even distorting charts to serve their agenda. To do this, Fox often claimed that the proposed Keystone XL pipeline or expanded domestic drilling could lower gas prices, while ignoring that Obama has significantly raised fuel economy standards -- a measure that would help consumers reduce their dependence on oil and vulnerability to price spikes.

The network gloated that prices at the pump could be an "opportunity to disrupt" good economic news for Obama, or maybe even "enough to derail his return to the office." To support that goal, Fox News regularly hosted Eric Bolling, a former minor league baseball player and major Wall Street oil and energy futures trader. While Fox News presented him as an expert, actual experts, even those who support increasing access to oil, have called his claims "absolute and utter rubbish," "idiotic," "nonsense," and "not correct."

As Gas Prices Fall, Fox Asks: Are Low Gas Prices A Bad Thing?

In May, as gas prices began to fall, one Fox News legal analyst took to "hoping gasoline's going to stay close to five dollars in November." Apparently worried that low prices could be a boon for Obama's reelection campaign, anchors on Fox News and Fox Business suddenly began warning that "CHEAP GAS ISN'T GOOD."



These anchors tried to explain that low gas prices could be "just a sign of a weakening economy," or as Fox News anchor Bill Hemmer put it "a sign of a looming global economic crisis." The networks' sudden concern came after months of ignoring broader economic factors in its gasoline price reporting.

Fox News Portrays Romney As The Solution To High Prices

With gasoline prices predictably rising in summer and election season kicking into high gear, Fox News once again portrayed high gas prices as a problem, and suggested that Mitt Romney's energy plan could be the solution. In August, Neil Cavuto twice hosted former Shell Oil executive John Hofmeister to announce that he would vote for Romney and claim that gasoline prices were high because of a lack of domestic production under Obama. Cavuto failed to note that Hofmeister is currently a director at several oil and gas companies (and that his entire premise was baloney).

Bill O'Reilly even advised the Romney campaign to attack Obama over high gas prices -- a marked change from the last year of the Bush administration, when he had explained to his audience that if "you hear a politicians say he or she will bring down oil prices, understand it's complete BS."

Throughout 2012, Fox News pushed the talking point that gasoline prices had nearly doubled since Obama took office -- failing to mention that when he was inaugurated in January 2009, the U.S. was in the middle of a recession and low demand had depressed the price of oil and gasoline. During the second presidential debate, President Obama explained this point, to no avail: Fox News figures claimed Obama's comments were "totally bogus" despite all evidence to the contrary.

When Romney Loses, Fox News Asks: "How Do You Explain That?"

On election night, after the race was called in Obama's favor, Fox News searched for answers as to why its candidate had lost. Contributor Pat Caddell said the Romney camp had run the "worst campaign in the history of the modern presidential race." Anchor Gregg Jarrett agreed. After all, he said, "Gasoline prices have doubled under President Obama [...] And he gets reelected. He presided over all of that. So how do you explain that?"

Fox News and its viewers were ill-equipped to answer. In the end, the network's heavy focus on attacking President Obama in bold opposition to the facts succeeded only in making it look ridiculous.

[_Kevin Graham]

Subgenius has already shot himself in the foot by bringing up the MSNBC firing of Phil Donahue for being too Liberal - while simultaneously arguing that MSNBC is as Liberal as FOX is Conservative - but we could also add the firing of Keith Olbermann who was fired for donating money to political campaigns. According to Olbermann:

"One week ago, on the night of Thursday October 28 2010, after a discussion with a friend about the state of politics in Arizona, I donated $2,400 each to the re-election campaigns of Democratic Representatives Raul Grijalva and Gabrielle Giffords. I also donated the same amount to the campaign of Democratic Senatorial candidate Jack Conway in Kentucky…I did not privately or publicly encourage anyone else to donate to these campaigns nor to any others in this election or any previous ones, nor have I previously donated to any political campaign at any level."

No matter, he was fired because he compromised himself as an objective journalist.

So, what about Fox News?

Over 30 people on Fox News’ payroll have shown their support of the GOP over 600 times during the midterm elections. FOX has never lifted a finger to hold them accountable. While MSNBC is making efforts to be more balanced by tempering any signs of bias or extreme Liberalism, FOX decided to let go the only "Liberal" they had on their show, (Alan Combs) giving Sean Hannity complete monologue privileges on the previously named "Hannity and Combs." Aside from regular show hosts and contributors, we have the following Republican figure heads at FOX:

Roger Ailes – American President of Fox News Channel was a media consultant for Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan, George H. W. Bush and Rudy Giuliani. He was also once the executive producer of Rush Limbaugh‘s short-lived TV show

John Kasich – Former Republican United States Representative, turned Fox News host, guest host for The O’Reilly Factor and frequent guest on Sean Hannity’s show. He is now preparing to run as a Republican Gubernatorial candidate in Ohio’s 2010 election.

Mike Huckabee – Former Republican Governor of Arkansas and Presidential Candidate joined Fox News as a commentator, contributor and host of “Huckabee” on Fox News Channel.

Dana Perino – Former White House Press Secretary, Speech Writer and Assistant to the President, George W. Bush, appears as a political pundit on Fox News.

Karl Rove – Former Chief of Staff and Senior Advisor to George W. Bush is now a Wall Street Journal Contributing Writer as well as a political analyst, contributor and frequent guest on Fox News.

Tony Snow – Chief Speech Writer for George H. W. Bush, then guest host for The Rush Limbaugh Show, then regular personality on Fox News Channel, then hosted Fox News Sunday and Weekend Live, then guest host of The O’Reilly Factor, then on to White House Press Secretary for George W. Bush.

Newt Gingrich – Former Republican Speaker of the House turned Fox News contributor and frequent guest. He also hosts occasional specials on Fox News Channel.

Greta Van Susteren – Host of “On The Record” has personal ties to Alaskan Governor Sarah Palin. She’s married to John Coale, a one time adviser to Sarah Palin. Greta also played host/handler to Todd Palin at the White House Correspondents Dinner.

[_Kevin Graham]

Welcome to the World that FOX News has Created

In this video clip, Rachel Maddow interviews some protesters on the streets who are against Eric Holder, saying he is "anti-gun," but when pressed, they admit they do not know of anything he has said or done that would justify that characterization.

Facts don't matter in the Right Wing bubble. All that matters is dogma.

[_Kevin Graham]

I want to thanks subgenius for starting this thread. I use it to share some hilarious examples of FOX News going well beyond anything MSNBC has done, to assassinate truth and honesty.

In an attempt to prove liberal bias at CNN, Sean Hannity tried to edit a video clip to make his case. But Cooper Anderson slams him for it, proving exactly who it is who suffers from extreme bias.

Fox News host Eric Bolling claimed, "America was certainly safe between 2000 and 2008. I don’t remember any attacks on American soil during that period of time."

Fox News’ Steve Doocy was interviewing Mitt Romney and quoted President Obama as saying, “unlike some people, I wasn’t born with a silver spoon in my mouth.” Unfortunately, that’s not what Obama said… While Obama did say, “I wasn’t born with a silver spoon in my mounth…,” Doocy added on, “unlike some people” while making it seem like a dig at Romney.

Sean Hannity repeats the well refuted lie that Elena Kagan thre military recruiters off campus.

Fox News is shameless in misinforming its viewers into believing that U.S. Supreme Court Justice Elena Kagan should recuse herself from the case involving the constitutionality of a provision of the Affordable Care Act. In this case, they’ve been caught blatantly making up part of the U.S. Constitution to help make their case…


Two years ago a memo leaked proving how FOX hosts are giving daily marching orders. This explains why they tend to say the exact same things over and over on any given day. In this particular instance, they were told to flat out lie about Obama's health care plan, and none of them objected.

Tucker Carlson pulls an Allen Wyatt. After purchasing the domain, keith@keitholbermann.com, he began sending emails, pretending to be Keith Olbermann. What a bunch of integrity-free clowns these folks at FOX are.

In the October 16, 2012, presidential debate, moderator Candy Crowley corrected Mitt Romney after he falsely claimed that President Obama had waited 14 days to describe the attack on the U.S. Consulate in Libya as an act of terror, noting that in the Rose Garden the day after the attack, Obama called the incident "acts of terror." In the two days after the debate, Fox News aired 55 segments, totaling more than four hours, that attempted to portray Obama's reference as a general statement or as referring to another incident.

Media outlets, including Fox News, continued to suggest that the Obama administration lied when it said that an anti-Islam video served as a catalyst for the Benghazi attack, even though The New York Times reported that the attackers said they were motivated by the video.