NRA Winning the Influence Battle Over Gun Control

[_bcspace]

http://www.forbes.com/sites/brucerogers/2013/02/01/nra-winning-the-influence-battle-over-gun-control/

[_honorentheos]

Hi bcspace,

What is it that the NRA is defending? Can they be articulated beyond concepts such as "the 2nd amendment" or "the right to bear arms"?

[_bcspace]

From collecting and hunting to self-defense against criminals or out of control foriegn or domestic governments. All of those already have historical and legal basis in the 2nd. Semi auto or Armalite types weapons and high capacity mags are already a bare minimum. Also a general mode of anti registration as that is used by governments to spy, harass, control, or even genocide otherwise law abiding citizens or citizens exercising their rights in the first sentence.

[_honorentheos]

Catagories of arms under your premise:
Collectables

Hunting weapons

Weapons of self-defense

Weapons to wage war against foreign governments

Weapons to wage war against the domestic government

Is there a class or catagory of weapon you would not include?

Also, can you unpack this please? Its wordy without being intelligible.

....a general mode of anti registration as that is used by governments to spy, harass, control, or even genocide otherwise law abiding citizens or citizens exercising their rights

What do you mean by "a mode of anti registration", for example?

[_beastie]

Also a general mode of anti registration as that is used by governments to spy, harass, control, or even genocide otherwise law abiding citizens or citizens exercising their rights in the first sentence.

It's becoming more obvious to even those who support gun ownership in general that the NRA is catering to a lunatic fringe that wants to hoard guns so they can kill american soldiers who are going to come after them one day.

As Joe Scarborough said, good luck with trying to fight the American army with your weapon cache. Not matter how large it is, it ain't gonna be enough.

I think as nuts like bcspace more clearly articulate what they're really about, the less support they will find in the general community.

[_honorentheos]

I think as nuts like bcspace more clearly articulate what they're really about, the less support they will find in the general community.

I completely agree. They hide behind ambigious language like protecting 2nd Amendment Rights that provides cover for their underlying radical worldview.

[_bcspace]

It's becoming more obvious to even those who support gun ownership in general that the NRA is catering to a lunatic fringe that wants to hoard guns so they can kill american soldiers who are going to come after them one day

Yes it has always been the extreme Left (there is no moderate Left) who have proposed that there is no liberty in equality. That is the difference between you and the founders. Everyday, more and more people rally to the cause, including Democrats who are realizing they've been duped, and gun control has even less of a chance now than it did before Sandy Hook (assuming there is a such thing as less than nothing in this case).

[_beastie]

It's becoming more obvious to even those who support gun ownership in general that the NRA is catering to a lunatic fringe that wants to hoard guns so they can kill american soldiers who are going to come after them one day

Yes it has always been the extreme Left (there is no moderate Left) who have proposed that there is no liberty in equality. That is the difference between you and the founders. Everyday, more and more people rally to the cause, including Democrats who are realizing they've been duped, and gun control has even less of a chance now than it did before Sandy Hook (assuming there is a such thing as less than nothing in this case).

Yeah, that Scalia is a wily leftist extremist, isn't he?

And just in 1999 the NRA was also a part of the extreme left!

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2013 ... fpnewsfeed

[_beastie]

by the way, since you bring this up yet again, bcspace, perhaps you're ready to finally answer my questions.

Let's review. Here's what Scalia wrote for the Heller case:

The Second Amendment right is not unlimited. We do not cast doubt on concealed-weapons prohibitions, laws barring possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, laws barring firearms in sensitive places like schools and government buildings, and laws imposing conditions on commercial sale of arms. (54-55) Also, the sorts of weapons protected are the sorts of small arms that were lawfully possessed at home at the time of the Second Amendment’s ratification, not those most useful in military service today, so “M-16 rifles and the like” may be banned.

Here are the executive orders that Obama wants implemented:

1. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system.
2. Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system.
3. Improve incentives for states to share information with the background check system.
4. Direct the Attorney General to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks.
5. Propose rulemaking to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning a seized gun.
6. Publish a letter from ATF to federally licensed gun dealers providing guidance on how to run background checks for private sellers.
7. Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign.
8. Review safety standards for gun locks and gun safes (Consumer Product Safety Commission).
9. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal law enforcement to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations.
10. Release a DOJ report analyzing information on lost and stolen guns and make it widely available to law enforcement.
11. Nominate an ATF director.
12. Provide law enforcement, first responders, and school officials with proper training for active shooter situations.
13. Maximize enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime.
14. Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence.
15. Direct the Attorney General to issue a report on the availability and most effective use of new gun safety technologies and challenge the private sector to develop innovative technologies.
16. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.
17. Release a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits them from reporting threats of violence to law enforcement authorities.
18. Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers.
19. Develop model emergency response plans for schools, houses of worship and institutions of higher education.
20. Release a letter to state health officials clarifying the scope of mental health services that Medicaid plans must cover.
21. Finalize regulations clarifying essential health benefits and parity requirements within ACA exchanges.
22. Commit to finalizing mental health parity regulations.
23. Launch a national dialogue led by Secretaries Sebelius and Duncan

So can you point to the orders which violate the second amendment?

[_Doctor Steuss]

Also a general mode of anti registration as that is used by governments to spy, harass, control, or even genocide otherwise law abiding citizens or citizens exercising their rights in the first sentence.

You mean like advocating a national registry of people with socially unsavory disabilities?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/won ... -that-now/