Global Warming: Overestimated

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Re: Global Warming: Overestimated

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subgenius wrote:that is inevitable at any rate is it not?
quit impeding progress in order to conserve what you presume your grand-kids will esteem or value. To anchor them to your ideals seems rather conservative, don't it?
The problem climate change driven by manmade factors is the rapidity of it. Our infrastructure is built on a certain level of climate stability. We can gradually adapt to changes, but if those changes happen very quickly, it will come at significant hardship. Coastal cities can move further back, farming patterns can change, water resources can be redistributed, but on much longer timescales without risk of harm than what we are looking at as a significant possibility.

One popular denialist canard is to simply point out the earth has had globally hotter temperatures, much more so, in the past and it's still around. So why worry? Well, the earth also had drastically different climatic conditions and land/water constitution during those periods as well. Adjusting to that quickly could cost a tremendous amount of resources and lives in the process, which isn't something we want to see happen. On top of that, human development has driven ecosystems to more fragile states that could be simply wiped out under quickly advancing changes in weather conditions. Redwood forests migrate slowly as it is, but they won't grow on top of human settlements. The historical epocs associated with truly rapid climate change also involve mass extinction events. The planet may be fine, but the organisms currently living on it may be in deep trouble. The worst mass extinction event in earth's history is believed to have been caused by a rapid, significant change in climate. Almost all life on earth was wiped out in that one.
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This just in:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/01/steven-chu-resigns_n_2601964.html

"Ultimately we have a moral responsibility to the most innocent victims of adverse climate change. Those who will suffer the most are the people who are the most innocent: the world’s poorest citizens and those yet to be born," Chu added. "There is an ancient Native American saying: 'We do not inherit the land from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children.' A few short decades later, we don’t want our children to ask, 'What were our parents thinking? Didn’t they care about us?'"
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I just did your Google suggestion. I live about two miles from the beach. From what I'm reading, my house will be a breakwater in about 100 years. My favorite little town for antiquing and fine dining (Seal Beach) will be out at sea.

I guess that's not too high a price for my grandchildren to pay so that the oil and coal companies can make a decent profit.



I thought that California is now fighting Global warming.


California becomes first state to adopt cap-and-trade program:
http://articles.latimes.com/2011/oct/21 ... e-20111021



The Following is from Wikipedia:

The Global Warming Solutions Act of 2006, or Assembly Bill (AB) 32, is a California State Law that fights climate change by establishing a comprehensive program to reduce greenhouse gas emissions from all sources throughout the state. AB 32 was authored by then-Assemblymember Fran Pavley and Assembly Speaker Fabian Nunez (D-Los Angeles) and signed into law by Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger on September 27, 2006.

AB 32 requires the California Air Resources Board (CARB or ARB) to develop regulations and market mechanisms to reduce California's greenhouse gas emissions to 1990 levels by 2020, representing a 25% reduction statewide, with mandatory caps beginning in 2012 for significant emissions sources. The bill also allows the Governor to suspend the emissions caps for up to a year in case of emergency or significant economic harm.

The State of California leads the nation in energy efficiency standards and plays a lead role in environmental protection, but is also the 12th largest emitter of carbon worldwide.[1] Greenhouse gas emissions are defined in the bill to include all of the following: carbon dioxide, methane, nitrous oxide, sulfur hexafluoride, hydrofluorocarbons and perfluorocarbons.[2] These are the same greenhouse gases listed in Annex A of the Kyoto Protocol.[3]

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B 32 includes several specific requirements of the California Air Resources Board:

Prepare and approve a scoping plan for achieving the maximum technologically feasible and cost-effective reductions in greenhouse gas emissions
Identify the statewide level of greenhouse gas emissions in 1990 to serve as the emissions limit to be achieved by 2020
Adopt a regulation requiring the mandatory reporting of greenhouse gas emissions
Identify and adopt regulations for discrete early actions that could be enforceable on or before January 1, 2010
Ensure early voluntary reductions receive appropriate credit in the implementation of AB 32
Convene an Environmental Justice Advisory Committee (EJAC) to advise the Board in developing the Scoping Plan and any other pertinent matter in implementing AB 32
Appoint an Economic and Technology Advancement Advisory Committee (ETAAC) to provide recommendations for technologies, research and greenhouse gas emission reduction measures[4]
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Brackite wrote:
I thought that California is now fighting Global warming.


Are you suggesting that California's global warming policies should stop global warming's effects on California if they were sound?
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EAllusion wrote:
Brackite wrote:
I thought that California is now fighting Global warming.


Are you suggesting that California's global warming policies should stop global warming's effects on California if they were sound?


LMAO!!!
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Brackite wrote:
I just did your Google suggestion. I live about two miles from the beach. From what I'm reading, my house will be a breakwater in about 100 years. My favorite little town for antiquing and fine dining (Seal Beach) will be out at sea.

I guess that's not too high a price for my grandchildren to pay so that the oil and coal companies can make a decent profit.



I thought that California is now fighting Global warming.



I'm sure the Pacific ocean will be considerate enough to adhere to current sea levels in California despite the lack of climate control measures in the rest of the country.
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EAllusion wrote:
Brackite wrote:
I thought that California is now fighting Global warming.


Are you suggesting that California's global warming policies should stop global warming's effects on California if they were sound?



NO, But California's Global Warming Solutions Act of 2006, also known as AB 32, was designed only to counter Global warming.

And Here is a Hyperlink to a Liberal Article on Salon.com from 2010, coming out in full force against Proposition 23 in California that would have suspended AB 32 there.

California’s choice: Build the future, or burn the planet


by the way, I am in Southern California and it is snowing now.
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What are you trying to say Brackite? You seem to believe that California's actions alone should be stopping global warming if they were effective.
by the way, I am in Southern California and it is snowing now.

Well then I guess global warming is a lie.
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Droopy wrote:When the next Jim Jones arrives on the scene, it will be interesting to watch all the left-wing drones flock, glassy-eyed, into his charismatic embrace. Or have they already:


Where's that quote from Beastie ref the irony of religious people using religious people to disprove science? Oh, the irony from our resident nutjob.

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