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[_Albion]

Not really? You are kidding, right? Do you read scripture in continuity or do you just go through it looking for single isolated verses to support your ideas? The Deuteronomy verses are a later and clear expansion and explanation of the passage in Exodus...you simply can't study something without trying to bring in the whole for better understanding and amplification. I don't dismiss the Exodus passage for what it reveals about the life and times of the people of Israel but I continue to read to gain additional insight. Deut. clearly gives that additional insight and John confirms it.

[_Tobin]

As an additional point, Tobin, it is you who is pitting one scripture against another. You want to take your Exodus quote as a stand alone proof text despite the clarification of it given in Deuteronomy and the emphatic statements of John. I try to read scripture as a whole not basing my understanding on a single verse or passage as a proof text to make it support the position I have already arrived at. I think the shallowness of your argument is highlighted by the personal nature of your response. Attacking the messenger is no response to the message.

I'm not pitting Exodus against John in the slightest. John would have been very aware of what Exodus says and that is not the purpose of that verse. What you have done is take a verse which is teaching about the love of God and perverted it to teach something else. It is how all you pseduo-christians approach the sciptures. You distort them instead of believing and reading them as they are plainly written.

[_Tobin]

Not really? You are kidding, right? Do you read scripture in continuity or do you just go through it looking for single isolated verses to support your ideas? The Deuteronomy verses are a later and clear expansion and explanation of the passage in Exodus...you simply can't study something without trying to bring in the whole for better understanding and amplification. I don't dismiss the Exodus passage for what it reveals about the life and times of the people of Israel but I continue to read to gain additional insight. Deut. clearly gives that additional insight and John confirms it.

It clearly says in those verses they saw God and he apparently had feet.

Here, I'll quote it to you again since you seem to have missed it:

Exodus 24:9-11KJV

9 Then went up Moses, and Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel:
10 And they saw the God of Israel: and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were the body of heaven in his clearness.
11 And upon the nobles of the children of Israel he laid not his hand: also they saw God, and did eat and drink.

[_Albion]

Please reread the first part of my original response.

Psalm17:8 Keep me as the apple of your eye; hide me in the shadow of of your WINGS." One of several allusions to God having wings...so your point is what exactly?

[_Tobin]

Please reread the first part of my original response.

Psalm17:8 Keep me as the apple of your eye; hide me in the shadow of of your WINGS." One of several allusions to God having wings...so your point is what exactly?

That you distort the scriptures to fit your view. One scripture is a Psalm. The other is an account of the witness of these men. I think you've again shown the lengths you are willing to go when you equate the two.

[_sleepyhead]

I think it's important that we look within when determining who or who not to listen to. If Baxooka or anyone else provides valuable insights then naturally he should be listened to. Each of us has to decide for ourselves whose comments have value. I don't think that anyone should be listened to merely because they claim to be God's special mouthpiece. That would be priestcraft.

The chance of Bazooka providing valuable insights is about the same as of Hugh Hefner joining the Christian Coalition.

I haven't followed all of Bazookas posts but as far as I know he hasn't claimed that we should see value in his posts merely because he is Bazooka. Were all able to decide for ourselves how valuable his comment are. We can also decide for ourselves how valuable the comments of Church leaders are. They should all be placed on an even platform and evaluated on there internal merits rather than on the individual making them.

[_Albion]

No distortion, Tobin. I did say it was one of many scriptures that uses the anthropomorphic device with references to God who is beyond any mortal man's ability to describe. I really do understand, too, your desire to cling to the Exodus quote to support your position while ignoring the clarification Moses gives to the incident in later scripture.

[_Tobin]

No distortion, Tobin. I did say it was one of many scriptures that uses the anthropomorphic device with references to God who is beyond any mortal man's ability to describe. I really do understand, too, your desire to cling to the Exodus quote to support your position while ignoring the clarification Moses gives to the incident in later scripture.

You seem to be forgetting what I originally said. I've experienced God myself and he has spoken to me and I can't deny it. So I don't have to cling to Exodus. It simply backs up what I've experienced myself. Someday you too will see and speak with God. It will be comical to see you in denial of the experience because of your distorted views of the scriptures. And I wonder if God will be amused as well?

[_Albion]

Ah, the old Mormon get out of jail free card. When confronted with disturbing facts offer your testimony.

[_Tobin]

Ah, the old Mormon get out of jail free card. When confronted with disturbing facts offer your testimony.

Hardly. I started out by stating that. If you'll remember, you were the one that brought up the scipture in 1 John implying that what I experienced wasn't really God (even though I know it was). I think the only one in denial of God is you. One day you'll know for a fact that I experienced God and you too will see him and speak with him. Of that I am also certain.