Why should taxpayers being paying for more babies?

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Re: Why should taxpayers being paying for more babies?

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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:We have to consider that many of those pregnancies are planned, and a way to use the welfare system to gain free money, food, housing, and medical care.

My spouse was talking to a woman who was well versed in the ways of gaming the system, and it has become a way of life for perpetual welfare mothers.

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Making norplant a condition of aid would take care of that.
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actually as with any household it seems that if you are unable to properly care for your own children, regardless of your resources, then those children should be removed from your care and you should be penalized. Likely penalties could be criminal and civil.
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krose wrote:
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:We have to consider that many of those pregnancies are planned, and a way to use the welfare system to gain free money, food, housing, and medical care.

Did I miss something? Didn't Newt get Bubba to go along with "ending welfare" back in 94? Isn't it even actually called "temporary aid" now, with a requirement to work in order to get benefits?


Heh. That's funny.

No, gaming the welfare system has become a cottage industry. You need people in the system to help you understand the best way to advantage yourself of the system (it's pretty complicated according to the people I knew who worked within the system). I spent 9 years in the Southeast and you see huge swaths of Section 8 housing, but once you get to know enough people who either live there or aid those who live there you understand that it's a pretty good deal for someone who doesn't want to work or go to school in order to work later.

They crap out a bunch of babies who grow up learning to game the system.. So on and so forth. It's unsustainable, but at which point the system collapses remains to be seen.

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Re: Why should taxpayers being paying for more babies?

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beastie wrote:Making norplant a condition of aid would take care of that.


That's fantastically pragmatic of you, but how many Representatives are actively creating and pushing legislation to push that, and what incentive does a Representative has to voluntarily reduce his/her electoral base?

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subgenius wrote:actually as with any household it seems that if you are unable to properly care for your own children, regardless of your resources, then those children should be removed from your care and you should be penalized. Likely penalties could be criminal and civil.


You're phenomenally stupid, and if you were Boss of the World and did this you would be considered a Dictator. Are you comfortable with being a Dictator?

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beastie wrote: Everything we do affects one another.



From which it follows that everything that affects someone else, which is everything human beings do, given that such effects are both vast, complex, subtle, unpredictable, and interconnected, should be regulated, controlled, and mediated by the state to ensure that none of these effects, or as few as possible, produce negative, unfair, or inequitable outcomes for those affected (everyone).

This is, in a nutshell, the fundamental mentality behind all theories of collectivist utopian social and economic organization and the ideological forms of statism - including totalitarian statism - that have so blighted the last century.

It begins as a "great society," moves to "democratic socialism," from there to a "third way," between a fully collectivized society and democratic representative government, and from there to "transformational" socialist ideals of social and economic life.

The end is despotism and serfdom, either with a jack boot or a smiley face, the distinction has little difference depending upon one's sense of self-integrity as a son or daughter of God.
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Droopy - BCSpace thinks that insurance premiums of others should not be affected by his increased need for medical expenses due to having more children. Beastie asked if he understood how insurance works, because the whole point of an health insurance is to spread the risk of medical expense across a pool of premium payors. What BCSpace is saying is that he doesn't believe in health insurance at least where having children, smoking, etc. is concerned. If you agree, fine. You don't believe in insurance. But if you don't allow for mechanisms that spread risk across a pool of people, because you think that results in despotism and serfdom, then you are prescribing a society of such artificial, massive inequality that the guarantee is despotism and serfdom.

So why do you oppose private health insurance?
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Re: Why should taxpayers being paying for more babies?

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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
subgenius wrote:actually as with any household it seems that if you are unable to properly care for your own children, regardless of your resources, then those children should be removed from your care and you should be penalized. Likely penalties could be criminal and civil.


You're phenomenally stupid, and if you were Boss of the World and did this you would be considered a Dictator. Are you comfortable with being a Dictator?

- Doc

exceeded only by your deft demonstrations of the same.

this is not something "i would do"...this is something that is already done by our own government. Abuse and neglect has been the cause for our government to liberate children for years....however, it would seem that in keeping goosestep with the oppressive policies of the Democratic party you believe that throwing other people's money at the problem is a good solution.
you really should get out more and try basing your arguments, replies, posts, and opinions on facts.
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