Dan Peterson breaks Church Rules in pursuit of Mopologetics

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Re: Dan Peterson breaks Church Rules in pursuit of Mopologet

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Stormy Waters wrote:Stem,
I would take almost anyone's reading comprehension over yours. If it's you vs. Rockslider, I'd bet on Rocklsiders interpretation.

How about you just copy and paste the statement in question?


Have we ever even interacted? maybe a time or two? I'm giving my take. If you don't like it, I'm fine with that. The tribe mentality is strong in this one.

It's really up to Rockslider to supply support for his claim, not mine. he's merely either lying, which I can't put it past him, or he misunderstood. Take it or leave it.
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Stormy Waters wrote:How about you just copy and paste the statement in question?


Stem had me on ignore long before this, he is simply echoing the boards general pro-Dan can do no wrong, critics are liars sentiments (MDDB2). He has no statements to report.

All I did was continue to maintain that Dan's buddy had violated the Church's privacy policy, and somehow I misunderstood or lied because everyone else continued to maintained Dan's and his buddies innocience.
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stemelbow wrote:You're a drama queen, Rockslider.

You clearly misread what Jersey Girl said to you and when she corrected you you whined. Others came on board correcting you, but you wouldn't hear it. I told her to just put you on ignore because you weren't about to listen to her or anyone who was trying to help.

The liar comment came from me when you came here and lied about me. You have yet to acknowledge any of it. So I've considered it all behind me now, but you did bring it up so I thought I'd clarify. One person calling you a liar once is not fairly represented as "the members constantly called me a liar". Are you really trying to suggest that any others called you a liar? I mean Jersey Girl might have (I don't' think she did though), but she's nailed you like no one I've seen nailed before.

I've never called you "intellectuall handicapped".

Consider the source indeed. Jersey Girl tried her best not to embarrass you and actually be nice, but you wouldn't hear any of it and kept after her. That you ended up embarrassed is not her fault. You did it to yourself.

Liz's private board sounds like such a wonderful place; I'm still sad I've never been invited to join ... :lol:
"Moving beyond apologist persuasion, LDS polemicists furiously (and often fraudulently) attack any non-traditional view of Mormonism. They don't mince words -- they mince the truth."

-- Mike Quinn, writing of the FARMSboys, in "Early Mormonism and the Magic World View," p. x (Rev. ed. 1998)
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RockSlider wrote:All I did was continue to maintain that Dan's buddy had violated the Church's privacy policy ....

Then you were spot-on ...

... and somehow I misunderstood or lied because everyone else continued to maintained Dan's and his buddies innocence.

... and they have their heads in the sand.
"Moving beyond apologist persuasion, LDS polemicists furiously (and often fraudulently) attack any non-traditional view of Mormonism. They don't mince words -- they mince the truth."

-- Mike Quinn, writing of the FARMSboys, in "Early Mormonism and the Magic World View," p. x (Rev. ed. 1998)
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stemelbow wrote:You're a drama queen, Rockslider.

You clearly misread what Jersey Girl said to you and when she corrected you you whined. Others came on board correcting you, but you wouldn't hear it. I told her to just put you on ignore because you weren't about to listen to her or anyone who was trying to help.

The liar comment came from me when you came here and lied about me. You have yet to acknowledge any of it. So I've considered it all behind me now, but you did bring it up so I thought I'd clarify. One person calling you a liar once is not fairly represented as "the members constantly called me a liar". Are you really trying to suggest that any others called you a liar? I mean Jersey Girl might have (I don't' think she did though), but she's nailed you like no one I've seen nailed before.

I've never called you "intellectuall handicapped".

Consider the source indeed. Jersey Girl tried her best not to embarrass you and actually be nice, but you wouldn't hear any of it and kept after her. That you ended up embarrassed is not her fault. You did it to yourself.


Gee, Jersey Girl never voiced an opinion on rather Dan's buddy violated policy. I assume that was because she would agree that he did. Everything you note in this post had nothing to do with this topic stem, but of course you had me on ignore and did not follow this topic closely.
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As a former member of Liz's board, I am deeply saddened and quite troubled to see how a man like Rockslider has been "nailed like nobody has ever been nailed before".

How the hell does that happen and what in the hell does it mean?

Not something to boast about.
At all!

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Since you left Liz's board I guess we have to discuss this with you here.

Well, on Liz's board I was taunted by Dan's cheer leaders and Dan to report him. They were sure that that would somehow make a fool out of me. I felt there was in real life possible harm for Dan and/or his buddy and so would not act on their taunts. Thus I proposed to write up a nameless scenario changing the basic story somewhat, which I did and posted for their approval/modification.

No one taunted you and no one acted as Dan's cheerleaders. After you refused to listen to anyone's arguments and continued to beat the same incessant drum that Dan had committed a violation, I told you that if you were certain he was wrong, then report him--that way you would have a clear conscience AND you'd find out the truth. Then rather than go ahead and report it yourself, you had the gall to try and get someone else to do it for you! Since NONE of the rest of us had any interest in reporting it, for various reasons, why on earth would any of us want to do it????
This was one of the most outrageous things I've seen you do--and then to have the nerve to complain about it!
I was then going to send two questions to the privacy department of the church; 1. would this scenario be a violation of policy? 2. what would be the punishment for such a violation be?

I proposed to send this off in an email with Liz copied and to then have Liz report the answers.


Yes, this was all your proposal, no one wanted any part of it. I think only Harmony was concerned about it being a violation, but even she had no interest in reporting it--ONLY YOU. A number of us reiterated that if you were so committed to the belief that it was a violation, you should take care of it, not try to drag others into your plan.

Dan immediately posted a response somewhat similar to: "do what you must quickly". Of course comparing what I was doing to Judas being a traitor to Jesus.

I took this to mean that Dan was indeed worried about this and that I would be pulling the ultimate betrayal if I was to send it (which I dropped at this point)

Once again, you read things into what other people say. I think he meant that you ought to do what you felt you had to do. Was it a nice thing to do? To turn Dan in and try to get him in trouble? Not in any normal world it is not, but in my world, if you feel so strongly that a wrong has been committed, you should act, if for no reason than to feel that you did the right thing.
I just do not get you, Rock. You are still going on about this and complaining about others who disagreed with you?

It's amazing that he is now taunting the public to again turn him and Greg, um I mean his buddy in.

Crazy s***

This continual naming of a person you think is 'guilty' when you have no proof is not cute. And no one is 'taunting' you. They are asking you to act on your conscience if that is truly what is bothering you. But, if you act out of spite and hatred, you will have to live with yourself.
Every man is a moon and has a [dark] side which he turns toward nobody; you have to slip around behind if you want to see it. ---Mark Twain
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Ceeboo wrote:As a former member of Liz's board, I am deeply saddened and quite troubled to see how a man like Rockslider has been "nailed like nobody has ever been nailed before".

How the hell does that happen and what in the hell does it mean?

Not something to boast about.
At all!

Peace,
Ceeboo


I actually agree. Rockslider got extremely rude and vehemently angry with Jersey Girl. She tried her best to push it aside and not worry about it, but he was relentless. So, she called him on it all. I felt it was a pretty embarrassing thing for Timp. But he kept at it. She was straightforward and honest about it all.

I'm just saying she nailed it when she called him out.
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Here is another interesting comment by DCP over on his blog concerning the recent changes at MI. In the following quote I have bolded the words by DCP that respond to another poster's statements (which are in quotes):

DCP on his blog wrote:“You don’t think the Church is trying to have less public controversy?”

I think that may be true. But that’s rather a different thing than seeking to be “mainstream.”

“The fact that they won’t excommunicate a guy like John Dehlin despite all the testimonies he’s destroying says they don’t want controversy.”

Possibly. There’s a lot going on behind the scenes here. Some of it I know and can’t discuss. Some of it I simply know that I don’t know.

“Heck, the fact that John Dehlin can email a member of the presidency of the 70′s asking if your apologetics are what the church wants (basically, he was threatening PR blackmail) demonstrates it.”

Well, anybody can write to anybody. The response to him, however, may not be quite what he thinks, or what many in the public think. Again, I know some things that I can’t discuss, and am aware that there’s much going on that I simply don’t know.

“Or how about that guy that did the UN family stuff that got shut down by BYU? Whether or not the church approved of his shut down is almost irrelevant.”

But not quite. I happen to know that some General Authorities very much liked what he was doing. BYU is a separate animal, and has its own politics — as I’ve learned over the past year to my considerable sorrow.

“How come his work (or work like it stressing standing up to shifting moral winds) was and is never mentioned on Mormon Newsroom?”

I don’t know. I wish it had been.

“I hope I don’t sound critical of the church leadership, because I’m not. If anything, I’m trying to understand how to interpret their signals.”

And, if I may be permitted the metaphor, they play their cards close to the vest.

Moreover, there are different, and very strong, personalities among the Brethren. They’re united on very important matters, but they see some issues in varied ways.

EDITED TO ADD: OOPS, I meant this for the "DCP's reaction to MI" thread. Sorry.
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Alter Idem wrote:. You are still going on about this and complaining about others who disagreed with you?


Well thank god you've never shown up somewhere and incessently bitched about a topic over and over. By the way, what was the official church purpose of Dan having his Bishop run those names?
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