Exploring the Secret History of the Church

[_Franktalk]

Watcher,

I do believe that the Church of Christ is spread out all over the place. I believe that many hide their true feelings and hide in all churches. And some are not members of any church. At some point something will happen that will draw them together. You may know more about this than I do.

[_Watcher]

Frank

I understand what you are saying, and in principle I agree.

However, I would suggest that the individual people that will eventually make up the physical body of Christ (Church of Christ) are indeed spread all over the place,but, I don't think they technically will be properly called the church of Christ until that gathering takes place and they repent and come under the true covenant of the true baptism by the true authority of Christ.

Modern revelation makes the following statement to those who were just beginning to hear the sound of the gospel in 1830

"And there are none that doeth good except those who are ready to receive the fulness of my gospel, which I have sent forth unto this generation."

Interestingly, a similar statement was made shortly after the fulness was rejected by the Gentiles.

None of us doeth good except those that humbly acknowledge that we are in a state of apostasy and are looking forward in faith, with belief in Christ for his angels to come and gather out the elect prior to his return (Math 24:31)

The problem with the protestants that come to boards like this to call the Mormons to repentance is that they are blinded into thinking they have the fulness of the gospel.

Hence, they are not doing good either, until they realize they are also missing the fulness and prepare themselves for the fulness when it shines forth.

[_Albion]

Wow, I'm partially agreeing with Franktalk. Who knew? Christ's church is the body of believers and those believers are found across all Christian churches. That said, not all members of Christian churches are necessarily Christians since it is not determined by membership in a particular institutional church.

[_Albion]

Watcher: What Bible are you using...I find not reference in my Bible of Matt:24;31 that reads the way you state it?

[_Franktalk]

Additionally-

I recently came across something very interesting- a book called 'The Temples of Tenessee' which is about the amazing temples found in the mississippi area in the early 1900's, which they destroyed when doing land development. Ironically, both Memphis and Tennessee are words that link to the Egyptian...and the temples found there, which no one seems to know about anymore, but was once big news, were of Egyptian origin.

I think Wayne May, the archeology fanatic has mentioned they on his youtube videos. there are about 3-5 videos of his on youtube and they are an absolute MUST for anyone interested in the archeological evidence of the Book of Mormon, the Nephites and Lamanites. I recommend it without reservation...

Fusion

Yes, the mound builders. Odd that millions of people just disappeared. Almost like they were wiped out by war or something.

http://books.google.com/books?id=bnrTCv ... CGcQ6AEwCQ

Link to free book showing some mounds. The one in Newark Ohio is still there. They built a golf course on it but did not move the mounds. You can see from a satellite view.

There is an older book with more drawings but I don't have a copy of it.

[_Franktalk]

Watcher,

I understand what you say. But a person can overcome today. I don't know of any but I think it is possible. The details of this is contained in my thread on Romans.

[_Watcher]

" I don't know of any but I think it is possible." case closed

[_Watcher]

I used KJ just for the benefit of the protestants

"And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other."

Mark 13:27 is similar

And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.


However, the JST states it thusly

37 And whoso treasureth up my word, shall not be deceived, for the Son of Man shall come, and he shall send his angels before him with the great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together the remainder of his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. (JST Matt 1:37)

And of course modern revelation gives us the specifics about who these angels will be, as documented in many of my posts, however, even I am getting caught up with all of the off topic stuff.

I shall resume my previous posture of just offering secretive historical issues for those who are actually interested in the topic of the thread

[_Franktalk]

" I don't know of any but I think it is possible." case closed

It is very possible that the level of Spiritual outpouring is not enough at this time to allow anyone to overcome. But God has a habit of making exceptions. That is why I leave it open.

[_Fusion]

Great stuff.

Albion:I agree with you that you have the right to your belief. Period, and full stop. I also agree that the LDS lack of mention of Jesus is actually one of the things that makes me not visit on a sunday very often. But I will say you are missing the point here- that the LDS church is in APOSTASY, which explains the dissent with those who feel they are in the wilderness. I also agree that the Protestants speak of the Lord much more commendably, I would say that unless one reads TRUE of pure Mormonism (by the way, rock waterman's blog 'pure Mormonism' is a fantastic website where the modern corporate church is juxtaposed against the early church in Joseph's day) which was, as Watcher points out a lot, only in full swing between 1830-1834 in Kirtland...well then, you and I wouldn't be talking about the same religion.

I strong disagree with your take that I think the lil' old Mormon church is ambling along hurting no one. I believe the top brass wish they actually could back up their claims to have the FULNESS of the truth as Jospeh did. In other words, they are in apostasy but don't know what to do about it. if they act on that and repent, the amount of cultural Mormons that would fall to pieces, would be mindblowing, even if the truthseekers within would be overjoyed. I do take exception with one thing that protestants say all the time- 50,000 missionaries etc. Well, in Jesus' day how did they spread the Gospel, which they believed was true...even though the general populace didnt- like the protestants and non-believers think of the Mormon missionaries today? Well, they went 'two by two' and spread the Gospel. I may believe the church is in apostasy today, but they are doing no different according to their belief than what Jesus' disciples did in their day.

Another thing- we can't have it both ways: one the one hand everyone says that the Mormon leadership is in with the world, leaving behind all the true principles of the gospel (any gospel!) just to be popular with the world...and on the other hand crucify Joseph for doing the oposite and NOT winning friends or influencing people- if anything is a mark of a prophet, it is that he could care less to be popular with the babylonian world, but instead state the truth as commissioned by the Lord himself, as did ALL the prophets before him. Please don't mention the supposed 'prophets' after him...that's an oxymoron. So, 20 points for Joseph on that one.

So far as the Beatles and Dawkins etc, those points don't apply. The good spoken about Jospeh is that he restored (with a little help) the GOSPEL of Jesus Christ! If he is to be taken for what he says, he saw angels! God the Father! And Jesus the Son! I cannot compare that to the good spoken of the aforementioned folk, with all due respect. We are talking about things that transcend time and space here. Bringing forth scriptures, miracles, and building entire cities and communities. Bringing forth Zion again! Even if you don't believe any of these things, gee, they are quite different to others who achieved popularity and hate. When all is said and done, i am amazed at how someone who is so very revered because of his unparalled achievements, is also hated equally for the same. Yes, the average guy on the street may not know him...and may think McDonalds is healthy food, and the news at 6pm is accurate too, but we're not talking about an average topic here :)

If one believes that the Gospel never left, then I would question if one really knows what the Gospel is. It didn't start with Christ in the meridian of time. It was here with Adam onwards. Just read any of the ancient scriptures the catholics did all they could to keep out of the Bible they gave the protestant world (ironically, the Protestants hate the catholics yet totally trust them on the 66 books they received directly from them...as if the Word of God can be limited to just that). If you haven't read Hugh Nibley's wonderful analysis of the Book of Enoch not long discovered, which is a treasure trove of history from the beginning of Adam's time, and its comparison to the Book of Moses that Joseph brought forth, you really are missing something special. It is available free online, called 'A strange thing in the land'.

The Gospel was here with Enoch and all of his contemporaries. It always got lost due to apostasy and always got restored. If you think the Bible is compete and uncorrupted, you may be in for a shock. Which is why I hold the Book of Mormon to be what it is- the standard of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Much respect.

Fusion