Dan Peterson breaks Church Rules in pursuit of Mopologetics

[_Darth J]

I realize that most of you here just want me to “F” off. Frankly, that's how I feel about some of you, too (ahem, Lulu, Darth).

I accept your surrender, Liz. And your most recent ridiculous apologia just further confirms that if Peterson's account is true, the bishop violated the license agreement.

[_Darth J]

I think that this is where the impasse is. Why is everyone assuming that dan's bishop friend accessed the database to merely placate Dan?

It's irrelevant whether he did that merely to placate Dan.

I'm not saying that his action certainly DID placate Dan, but I don't think that Dan's friend would have accessed the database if placating Dan was the only reason for doing it.

And, it doesn't seem like I am the only one thinking this way, because Ray, Alter, and Stem have all reached the same conclusion.

I understand that you, Rollo, Darth, and Kish think its BS and that is certainly your choice. But the fact remains that there were legitimate reasons, Church related reasons, for his friend to check that information.

If Everybody Wang Chung really had been a bishop, and he had been conducting himself in a way that he shouldn't have, then his friend would need Everybody Wang Chung's real name to report him through proper channels.

All of you assume that if Dan's friend had discovered Everybody Wang Chung's real information that he would have turned that information over to Dan. Now , if he did, indeed do that, then yes, he WOULD HAVE been misusing the database. But that is not what happened. And unlike what you, Kish, and Darth et. al. assume, I don't think that would have happened!

Here is why. Dan's friend did NOT allow Dan to view or access the database himself. He looked up the information and gave Dan a yes or no response. This indicates to me that he was being careful with the information he had access to and was making every effort possible to follow the rules.

This is exactly what Dan, Alter, Stem and I have been getting at and trying to explain ad nauseam.

Seven! Seven stories, ah, ah, ah!

[_Yoda]

It's irrelevant whether he did that merely to placate Dan.

No, Darth, it isn't irrelevant. The terms of use allow for Dan's friend to access that database for Church business. If Dan's friend felt that a fellow bishop might be misrepresenting the Church, that IS Church business.

[_Darth J]

Liz, let me help you understand why your most recent explanation of what happened is a non-starter:

If Everybody Wang Chung really had been a bishop, and he had been conducting himself in a way that he shouldn't have, then his friend would need Everybody Wang Chung's real name to report him through proper channels.

That is ludicrous. All this anonymous bishop would have to do is give the list that Peterson had from his third-party commercial entity, a link to this board to see Everybody Wang Chung's posting history, and let the Church decide what, if anything to do.

Incidentally, Liz, none of your handwaving has addressed why it is so hard to determine, totally without using the LDS Church's confidential intellectual property, if anyone on the Israel trip list was an attorney, as Everybody Wang Chung claims to be.

All of you assume that if Dan's friend had discovered Everybody Wang Chung's real information that he would have turned that information over to Dan.

And what a silly assumption!

Now , if he did, indeed do that, then yes, he WOULD HAVE been misusing the database. But that is not what happened. And unlike what you, Kish, and Darth et. al. assume, I don't think that would have happened!

Whether he would or would not have is irrelevant to breaching the license agreement.

Here is why. Dan's friend did NOT allow Dan to view or access the database himself. He looked up the information and gave Dan a yes or no response. This indicates to me that he was being careful with the information he had access to and was making every effort possible to follow the rules.

See the underlined part? That's the end of the discussion.

[Guest]

It's irrelevant whether he did that merely to placate Dan.

No, Darth, it isn't irrelevant. The terms of use allow for Dan's friend to access that database for Church business. If Dan's friend felt that a fellow bishop might be misrepresenting the Church, that IS Church business.

That's great, Liz! Show me where I can verify that the LDS Church lets its bishops decide for themselves what is or is not the Church's business. Keeping in mind that not only is there no reason to believe that Everybody Wang Chung would be under this bishop's ecclesiastical jurisdiction, you don't even know for sure if Everybody Wang Chung is a member of the LDS Church.

Feel free to reconcile this with the existence of a revocable license agreement. You know, since the bishop can subjectively determine that checking up on the behavior of anonymous strangers on the internet outside of his priesthood authority is official church business, explain to me how a bishop could ever possibly violate the license agreement.

[_RayAgostini]

Yes, Ray. Everyone who thinks Joe Smith's Frontier Tall Tales might not be true is all of one mind and one heart. At our annual meeting where we sacrifice kittens to Lucifer, we make a blood oath to persecute taxi drivers first, then Mormons.

Don't try to back down now with flippant analogies, because you spread your disease germs in far more obvious ways. If ever a modern Korihor existed - it is you. Kishkumen and Scratch went down that irredeemable path long ago. They set the tone for the persecution of Daniel Peterson on this board, and you happily carried the flag of DCP contempt. Given numerous opportunities to repent, Kishkumen has always lapsed back into "DCP hate mode".

Here was his declaration:

I wish someone had sincerely asked me to retire from this discussion a long time ago. And I wish I had listened.

The paint had hardly dried on that when he posted:

stem doesn't because he is a moron with a crush on DCP.

And for anyone who wants a further study of Kish and his instability, here's one of his all time classics:

A Farewell to Daniel Bashing

Less than a week later he was back "Daniel bashing".

[_RayAgostini]

Darth J being "concerned" about "LDS intellectual property" is like Hitler being concerned about the gassing of Jews in concentration camps.

[_MrStakhanovite]

That's great, Liz! Show me where I can verify that the LDS Church lets its bishops decide for themselves what is or is not the Church's business. Keeping in mind that not only is there no reason to believe that Everybody Wang Chung would be under this bishop's ecclesiastical jurisdiction, you don't even know for sure if Everybody Wang Chung is a member of the LDS Church.

Feel free to reconcile this with the existence of a revocable license agreement. You know, since the bishop can subjectively determine that checking up on the behavior of anonymous strangers on the internet outside of his priesthood authority is official church business, explain to me how a bishop could ever possibly violate the license agreement.

Like you know anything about Church buisness.

[_MrStakhanovite]

excuse me Ray, I set the tone for persecution of Dan around here and I get my orders from Scratch who from on high hath heard good tidings from the angels who minister unto him.

[_Darth J]

Yes, Ray. Everyone who thinks Joe Smith's Frontier Tall Tales might not be true is all of one mind and one heart. At our annual meeting where we sacrifice kittens to Lucifer, we make a blood oath to persecute taxi drivers first, then Mormons.

Don't try to back down now with flippant analogies, because you spread your disease germs in far more obvious ways. If ever a modern Korihor existed - it is you. Kishkumen and Scratch went down that irredeemable path long ago. They set the tone for the persecution of Daniel Peterson on this board, and you happily carried the flag of DCP contempt. Given numerous opportunities to repent, Kishkumen has always lapsed back into "DCP hate mode".

I don't give a rat “F” about Daniel Peterson, Ray. He's part of my life in the same sense that George Costanza is part of my life.

My interest is in the human behavior at work here. Just because you don't understand that you, Liz, stemelbow, and Alter Idem are nothing but unwitting performance artists for everyone else doesn't mean nobody else understands it. I'm aware that a significant function of the persecution card is that it is more comforting to think you are being hated for your righteousness than laughed at for your absurd mentality. And I'm sure that the central figure of your little cult of personality is very important to you. But I'll let you in on a little secret: your fantasy world is not determinative of objective reality.