Dan Peterson breaks Church Rules in pursuit of Mopologetics

[_Darth J]

Darth J being "concerned" about "LDS intellectual property" is like Hitler being concerned about the gassing of Jews in concentration camps.

I know, Ray! And questioning Daniel Peterson's ethics is just like the Holocaust!

Thank God we have Liz as our Anne Frank, scribbling her thoughts as she hides in the attic!

[_Yoda]

That's great, Liz! Show me where I can verify that the LDS Church lets its bishops decide for themselves what is or is not the Church's business

I realize that if there was a step by step document stating how bishops should do every little thing, it would make things a lot easier for you to understand. It's a pity that for how educated and supposedly smart you are, you lack the ability to understand that not every little detail for how a bishop is supposed to determine things is written down on some list.

I'm done here. My comments were not made to start a new conversation with you anyway, Darth.

I said what I intended to say. You may as well put me on ignore because I won't be responding to you further.

[_cafe crema]

It's irrelevant whether he did that merely to placate Dan.

No, Darth, it isn't irrelevant. The terms of use allow for Dan's friend to access that database for Church business. If Dan's friend felt that a fellow bishop might be misrepresenting the Church, that IS Church business.

So anonymous talk on message boards is valid reason to investigate members of a bishop's ward? And if it is a valid reason does giving the information to Mr. Peterson represent the way the church should handle such "church business"? How has the church dealt with this in any way, all I see is crowing about how there were no bishops on the cruise, is that how the church handles its "business" if so to what purpose.

[_Darth J]

That's great, Liz! Show me where I can verify that the LDS Church lets its bishops decide for themselves what is or is not the Church's business

I realize that if there was a step by step document stating how bishops should do every little thing, it would make things a lot easier for you to understand. It's a pity that for how educated and supposedly smart you are, you lack the ability to understand that not every little detail for how a bishop is supposed to determine things is written down on some list.

I'm done here. My comments were not made to start a new conversation with you anyway, Darth.

I said what I intended to say. You may as well put me on ignore because I won't be responding to you further.

Liz, when you have a unilateral license agreement, which is governed by Utah law, and the Church's terms are that the bishop can only use the data for purposes directly related to his service as the bishop of his ward, that means on its face that the bishop does not get to decide for himself what the scope of the license is.

I don't blame you for not trying to support your assertions, Liz. They were unsupportable to begin with, in all their multiple and evolving forms.

[_RayAgostini]

I don't give a rat f*** about Daniel Peterson, Ray. He's part of my life in the same sense that George Costanza is part of my life.

My interest is in the human behavior at work here. Just because you don't understand that you, Liz, stemelbow, and Alter Idem are nothing but unwitting performance artists for everyone else doesn't mean nobody else understands it. I'm aware that a significant function of the persecution card is that it is more comforting to think you are being hated for your righteousness than laughed at for your absurd mentality. And I'm sure that the central figure of your little cult of personality is very important to you. But I'll let you in on a little secret: your fantasy world is not determinative of objective reality.

You're a very insecure person. You've left Mormonism, or maybe like harmony you still hypocritically embrace it but don't believe a word of it, except by some perfunctory reference to "Jesus Christ". How many hours do you spend here, each and every day? Like a Korihor filled with the determination to turn people away from the faith, that's the most obvious thing I see in all your posts. No one can get a pass unless Darth shows them that they have a "frenzied mind" because they believe in some religious delusion called "Mormonism", which by extension believes in some deluded messiah called Jesus Christ.

You're here to "straighten out" the believers, aren't you, Darth? And show them a "better way", which way is to deny the Christ, to deny the existence of God, to offer "more rational explanations" to all of the supernatural phenomena you assign to "superstition", and to give them hope that they will find redemption by reading books like The God Delusion. Science Trump's Jesus any day, in Darth's campaign to redeem the foolish from their delusions.

If Darth ever had a spark of spirituality, or even a spark of belief in Mormonism at some stage, folks - the lights have gone out. All is darkness. You're reading the words of a Saul. You're reading the words of a Korihor, who has nothing better to do all day long than try to dissuade the believers, and to turn them against defenders of the faith like Daniel Peterson. You're reading a man obsessed, who now wants to turn people away from the very faith he once believed, and because he has lost his faith, he can't possibly comprehend how any "rational person" can believe what he once believed.

You poor souls who take Darth J seriously. What's your problem? Can I help you escape this modern day Nietzsche, this false prophet of no hope? This man obsessed who spends day in and day out trying to persuade you to abandon a belief in the Christ, and in the Church which bears his name, which Church expects moral accountability from those who claim to follow him.

There will be no compromise. If you follow Darth, then you follow darkness, denial and apostasy.

[_3sheets2thewind]

It's irrelevant whether he did that merely to placate Dan.

No, Darth, it isn't irrelevant. The terms of use allow for Dan's friend to access that database for Church business. If Dan's friend felt that a fellow bishop might be misrepresenting the Church, that IS Church business.

There you changing the story again.

Liz, you posted that Dan only wanted to know if a Bishop was on the tour.

[_ludwigm]

I don't give a rat f*** about Daniel Peterson, Ray. He's part of my life in the same sense that George Costanza is part of my life.

Up to now, I didn't know who George Costanza is.
From now on, I don't care.

"American television sitcom" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Costanza)
crap.

My interest is in the human behavior at work here.

Yeaaah...

[_Elphaba]

The reason Dan's friend/bishop had no business conducting the search is that Everybody Wang Chung is not a member of this bishop's ward; therefore, he has absolutely no stewardship, or ecclesiastical authority, over Everybody Wang Chung, and thus, no legal right to any in real life information about him, whatsoever. The fact that it turned out no bishop was on the list is irrelevant. He had no authority to conduct the search in the first place.

As other's have said, if this bishop was so concerned with Everybody Wang Chung's behavior, he should have simply supplied the proper church authority with Everybody Wang Chung;s posting history, as well as Dan's list of trip participants, and then left it up to him/her to decide what to do.

I am also gobsmacked anyone believes the bishop would not have given Dan the name of a match if it had turned out there was, in fact, a bishop on Dan's list. That just defies credulity.

And once Dan had that information, I would not believe he would keep it to himself if his tongue came notarized.

Elphaba

[_Elphaba]

I forgot to add one final thought.

Even if this bishop had refused to tell Dan the name in the event of a match, Dan would have, in fact, had Everybody Wang Chung"s in real life name (if he were telling the truth), as it would have been on the list he had provided. That's something I think everyone agrees Dan has no right to, nor is it any of his business.

The more I think about this the more disgusted I am about the whole thing.

Elphaba

[_RayAgostini]

The reason Dan's friend/bishop had no business conducting the search is that Everybody Wang Chung is not a member of this bishop's ward; therefore, he has absolutely no stewardship, or ecclesiastical authority, over Everybody Wang Chung, and thus, no legal right to any in real life information about him, whatsoever. The fact that it turned out no bishop was on the list is irrelevant. He had no authority to conduct the search in the first place.

As other's have said, if this bishop was so concerned with Everybody Wang Chung's behavior, he should have simply supplied the proper church authority with Everybody Wang Chung;s posting history, as well as Dan's list of trip participants, and then left it up to him/her to decide what to do.

I am also gobsmacked anyone believes the bishop would not have given Dan the name of a match if it had turned out there was, in fact, a bishop on Dan's list. That just defies credulity.

And once Dan had that information, I would not believe he would keep it to himself if his tongue came notarized.

Elphaba

Dan knows the in real life identity of some posters here on MDB. One includes a prominent lady poster who is a moderator here, and who has opposed Dan on many issues over the years. Has Dan ever revealed her identity? No. And my guess is that he never will! I'm willing to place any honour I have on that, because I know Dan Peterson. And he's not nasty like some ex-Mos, who project that he will think like they do in this case, and this is so far from the truth it isn't funny.

What a sad and sorry case you are, "Elphaba", one so wanting to smoke peace pipe with Mormons, yet you possess the very same hypocritical mentality because your ultimate aim is to turn Mormons away from their religion. Friend them, kiss their ass; invite them for a cake, help them in any way you can - but in the end your aim is the same as any ex-Mormon - to see them lose faith and become "enlightened" as you supposedly are.

I initially thought you'd make a difference to this Contempt and Defamation board, but all you have done is fuel the fire of prejudice against Mormons, and Mormon apologetics, and yes, it all starts with demonising Dan Peterson.

I'm sorry to say that I don't need, nor want your friendship. You are a sad disappointment, rid of all objectivity. You fit in here very well.