GOP: Okay to establish State Religion

[_subgenius]

Saying broadly Christian non-denominational prayers around a flag pole, or at the beginning of a football game has nothing to do with the establishment clause as understood by the Founders and has no connection to its original intent.

Yes, and that's exactly what the U.S. Supreme Court said when a Mormon high school student complained that such prayers discriminated against her beliefs by favoring one religion over another.

Oh, maybe not.

When will all these leftist, secular Mormons stop using the courts to have unelected, unaccountable judges impose these fraudulent "rights" on society that were never intended by the Founding Fathers?

i know, right?...the founding fathers never even used God or the Bible in any official documents or ceremonies.....so glad you are so "aware" of our founding fathers' "intentions".

[_subgenius]

Hi, Subgenius!

Do you agree with the judge who started this whole controversy in North Carolina that the Book of Mormon is not part of the Christian scriptures, and is comparable to a Wiccan text? Do you feel that the 10th Amendment authorizes state court judges to rule on whether or not a given religion falls under the rubric of "Christianity"?

1. No
2. No

[_Darth J]

Saying broadly Christian non-denominational prayers around a flag pole, or at the beginning of a football game has nothing to do with the establishment clause as understood by the Founders and has no connection to its original intent.

Yes, and that's exactly what the U.S. Supreme Court said when a Mormon high school student complained that such prayers discriminated against her beliefs by favoring one religion over another.

Oh, maybe not.

When will all these leftist, secular Mormons stop using the courts to have unelected, unaccountable judges impose these fraudulent "rights" on society that were never intended by the Founding Fathers?

i know, right?...the founding fathers never even used God or the Bible in any official documents or ceremonies.....so glad you are so "aware" of our founding fathers' "intentions".

Who is it that you are imagining denied that some of the Framers sometimes referred to God or the Bible in official documents or ceremonies?

[_Darth J]

Hi, Subgenius!

Do you agree with the judge who started this whole controversy in North Carolina that the Book of Mormon is not part of the Christian scriptures, and is comparable to a Wiccan text? Do you feel that the 10th Amendment authorizes state court judges to rule on whether or not a given religion falls under the rubric of "Christianity"?

1. No
2. No

I don't see how you have any complaint. This is a state's rights issue.

[_Brackite]

LDS Mitt Romney won the State of North Carolina.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Sta ... lina,_2012

[_ldsfaqs]

From the tar heel State:

Re: GOP: Okay to establish State Religion

Raleigh, N.C. — A bill filed by Republican lawmakers would allow North Carolina to declare an official religion, in violation of the Establishment Clause of the U.S. Bill of Rights, and seeks to nullify any federal ruling against Christian prayer by public bodies statewide.

Nothing like classic liberal lying.....

The GOP nor the "bill" in question does nothing of the sort.
The Bill only allows the freedom to pray, period. It has nothing at all to do with establishing a "state religion". Please notice how the actual "facts" quoted in the article that have to do with the bill state nothing of the sort. Only the liberal "editorializing" propaganda in the article makes the claim that the GOP is trying to establish state religion.

What you liberals and atheists don't understand is that your "banning" of prayer is ITSELF fascism and "state controlled" religion, that religion of secularism and anti-religion.

In a truly FREE and Pluralistic society ALL groups are represented, and people actually respect and "tolerate" each other's exercise of good Faith and belief. You speak of "tolerance" toward others who may not believe the same, but what about YOUR tolerance of those who believe differently than you? How does saying a prayer in public "hurt" you? In contrast, we view the banning of prayer as hurtful to not only us, but to America itself.

No GOP does or has said that "only" "Christians" can pray. In true tolerance not only the "minority" is respected but also the majority. Even the article itself said that 3% of the time someone other than a "Christian" prayed, which likely represents the percentage of those self same believers who are not Christian in that area.

Freedom of Religion NEVER was based on "freedom from religion". If people can't respect others beliefs in the public square, then there is certainly not any respect privately. And, we certainly see that in this forum. All GOOD no matter the group should be "represented". Uh, that's AMERICA folks..... BANNING "representation" is not America, it's fascism, it's evil.

[_bcspace]

The Left works hard to remove religion so it can insert it's own philosophies as the state religion.

[_moksha]

Hope this doesn't come down to an arm wrestle between the Brethren and snake handlers. The Brethren are too old
for such supremacy nonsense in claiming the State Religion crown. Besides, Boehner already makes hissing noises
and McConnell looks vaguely amphibian, so the dice may be loaded: Snake eyes!

[_beastie]

Nothing like classic liberal lying.....

The GOP nor the "bill" in question does nothing of the sort.
The Bill only allows the freedom to pray, period. It has nothing at all to do with establishing a "state religion". Please notice how the actual "facts" quoted in the article that have to do with the bill state nothing of the sort. Only the liberal "editorializing" propaganda in the article makes the claim that the GOP is trying to establish state religion.

What you liberals and atheists don't understand is that your "banning" of prayer is ITSELF fascism and "state controlled" religion, that religion of secularism and anti-religion.

In a truly FREE and Pluralistic society ALL groups are represented, and people actually respect and "tolerate" each other's exercise of good Faith and belief. You speak of "tolerance" toward others who may not believe the same, but what about YOUR tolerance of those who believe differently than you? How does saying a prayer in public "hurt" you? In contrast, we view the banning of prayer as hurtful to not only us, but to America itself.

No GOP does or has said that "only" "Christians" can pray. In true tolerance not only the "minority" is respected but also the majority. Even the article itself said that 3% of the time someone other than a "Christian" prayed, which likely represents the percentage of those self same believers who are not Christian in that area.

Freedom of Religion NEVER was based on "freedom from religion". If people can't respect others beliefs in the public square, then there is certainly not any respect privately. And, we certainly see that in this forum. All GOOD no matter the group should be "represented". Uh, that's AMERICA folks..... BANNING "representation" is not America, it's fascism, it's evil.

Here's the actual bill.

GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF NORTH CAROLINA
SESSION 2013
H 1
HOUSE JOINT RESOLUTION 494
Sponsors: Representatives Ford and Warren (Primary Sponsors).
For a complete list of Sponsors, refer to the North Carolina General Assembly Web Site.
Referred to: Rules, Calendar, and Operations of the House.
April 2, 2013
*H494-v-1*
1 A JOINT RESOLUTION TO PROCLAIM THE ROWAN COUNTY, NORTH CAROLINA,
2 DEFENSE OF RELIGION ACT OF 2013.
3 Whereas, the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment of the Constitution of
4 the United States reads:"…Congress shall make no law respecting an Establishment of
5 Religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;…"; and
6 Whereas, this prohibition does not apply to states, municipalities, or schools; and
7 Whereas, in recent times, the federal judiciary has incorporated states,
8 municipalities, and schools into the Establishment Clause prohibitions on Congress; and
9 Whereas, the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States reads: "The
10 powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States,
11 are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."; and
12 Whereas, the Tenth Amendment of the Constitution of the United States prohibits
13 the federal government and prohibits the federal courts from expanding the powers of the
14 federal government beyond those powers which are explicitly enumerated; and
15 Whereas, the Constitution of the United States does not grant the federal
16 government and does not grant the federal courts the power to determine what is or is not
17 constitutional; therefore, by virtue of the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United
18 States, the power to determine constitutionality and the proper interpretation and proper
19 application of the Constitution is reserved to the states and to the people; and
20 Whereas, each state in the union is sovereign and may independently determine how
21 that state may make laws respecting an establishment of religion; and
22 Whereas, Rowan County, North Carolina, asserts that the protections afforded to
23 citizens of the United States under the First Amendment are not in any way to be abridged
24 when such citizens become government actors by virtue of their appointment, election,
25 contract, employment, or otherwise engagement; and
26 Whereas, Rowan County, North Carolina, requests and encourages the North
27 Carolina General Assembly to pass a resolution declaring that the State of North Carolina does
28 not recognize the authority of federal judicial opinions arising from the exertion of powers not
29 granted to the federal government by the Constitution of the United States; Now, therefore,
30 Be it resolved by the House of Representatives, the Senate concurring:
31 SECTION 1. The North Carolina General Assembly asserts that the Constitution
32 of the United States of America does not prohibit states or their subsidiaries from making laws
33 respecting an establishment of religion.
34 SECTION 2. The North Carolina General Assembly does not recognize federal
35 court rulings which prohibit and otherwise regulate the State of North Carolina, its public General Assembly of North Carolina Session 2013
Page 2 H494 [Edition 1]
1 schools, or any political subdivisions of the State from making laws respecting an
2 establishment of religion.
3 SECTION 3. This resolution is effective upon ratification.

http://www.ncleg.net/Sessions/2013/Bill ... H494v1.pdf

[_beastie]

The Left works hard to remove religion so it can insert it's own philosophies as the state religion.

Yeah, that's why most representatives are atheists.