Dan Peterson breaks Church Rules in pursuit of Mopologetics

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_Yoda

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Ceeboo wrote:Hey Liz! :smile:

liz3564 wrote:
I would think, however, that if he is indeed a bishop now, he would want to straighten things out and apologize.


You think that if he is a LDS bishop, he ought to apologize?

I would think he ought to apologize, period (I think he has suggested that he has apologized more than once)

Now, since we are publically posting about who should be apologizing. Do you think Ray ought to be apologizing to Everybody Wang Chung and this entire community for posting PM's (at least twice while I was on-line) on the public board? Because I certainly do!

Peace,
Ceeboo

Of course, I think that Everybody Wang Chung should apologize no matter what. All I meant was that if he is a bishop, he should be even more conscientious about how he treats people.

If I can remember correctly, Ray actually did apologize for posting PM's. it happened several years ago, so I honestly can't remember if Ray apologized to the board, or just to the Mods.
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RayAgostini wrote:Of course that was not done. To this day. And you lap up the fact, just like your "objective" admiring followers who dare not question the activity of His Holiness Darth J on MDB.


I do not know any official reasons why it remains or if there are even reasons.

Personally I'd leave it. I think anonymity is important to those whose honest participation here would have high or unaffordable social costs. It's important for those who are trying to keep their participation here quiet or completely anonymous to realize others may be careless or reckless with their personal information if they have it. It serves as a cautionary tale. I value that more than the PM rule.

Feel free to accuse me of worshipping at the altar of Darth J. As I send him 10% of my income and believe that criticism of Darth J is wrong even if the criticism is true.

Please be aware I'm speaking as a man here and not as a moderator in case I desperately need to backpedal.

ETA: Especially if Eric was okay with it which I believe he was.
_RayAgostini

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Stormy Waters wrote:I do not know any official reasons why it remains or if there are even reasons.

Personally I'd leave it. I think anonymity is important to those whose honest participation here would have high or unaffordable social costs. It's important for those who are trying to keep their participation here quiet or completely anonymous to realize others may be careless or reckless with their personal information if they have it. It serves as a cautionary tale. I value that more than PM the rule.

Feel free to accuse me of worshipping at the altar of Darth J. As I send him 10% of my income and believe that criticism of Darth J is wrong even if the criticism is true.

Please be aware I'm speaking as a man here and not as a moderator in case I desperately need to backpedal.


Whose anonymity? The PM was sent to "Darth J" by Daniel Peterson (who is not anonymous), and it was posted on the board by "Darth J" without his permission. Let me remind you of Universal Rule #3:

Do not make mention of anything that allegedly transpired or is transpiring via the chat room or via private message that the source him- or herself has not overtly made public. People who communicate behind-the-scenes obviously intend their communications to remain behind-the-scenes. Any post on the board itself making reference to such things will be deleted.


So address the inconsistency.
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RayAgostini wrote:
Darth J wrote:Indeed! I reign from the rivers to the ends of the Earth! There is none who dares to molest or make afraid!

Ray, could you clarify a couple of points for readers of this thread?

The failure to believe in Mormonism's truth claims is:

(a) equivalent to hating human beings who are Mormons to the same degree that Nazis hated Jews
(b) somewhat less evil than hating human beings who are Mormons to the same degree that Nazis hated Jews
(c) somewhat more evil than hating human beings who are Mormons to the same degree that Nazis hated Jews

The failure to believe that space aliens are visiting the Earth is:

(a) morally equivalent to rejecting Mormonism's truth claims
(b) morally equivalent to rejecting Jesus
(c) morally equivalent to rejecting God altogether
(d) the same as the Nazis murdering the Jews
(e) inspired by Lucifer
(f) all of the above


Don't divert. Address the inconsistency. The same goes for your defenders and those here too afraid to speak ill of you or criticise you. They probably well understand the consequences, and the mind-numbing interrogation they could face.


The inconsistency is quite simple, really. I am full of darkness, so naturally I am all about deception and lies. Dr.Shades and the moderators exist merely to do my bidding.

Anyway, my defenders have much more to fear than a simple mind-numbing interrogation. I have their eternal souls on consignment to Lucifer. Pure, unadulterated evil is the only reasonable explanation why anyone would question the existence of either Nephites or UFO's. We've already established this truism.
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Darth J wrote: Dr.Shades and the moderators exist merely to do my bidding.


That's evident.
_Stormy Waters

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Whose anonymity? The PM was sent to "Darth J" by Daniel Peterson (who is not anonymous), and it was posted on the board by "Darth J" without his permission. Let me remind you of Universal Rule #3:


It contains personal information about a third party. That's what I meant.
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Stormy Waters wrote:
Whose anonymity? The PM was sent to "Darth J" by Daniel Peterson (who is not anonymous), and it was posted on the board by "Darth J" without his permission. Let me remind you of Universal Rule #3:


It contains personal information about a third party. That's what I meant.


Which "third party"? Do I really have to rehash the main point?:

Do not make mention of anything that allegedly transpired or is transpiring via the chat room or via private message that the source him- or herself has not overtly made public. People who communicate behind-the-scenes obviously intend their communications to remain behind-the-scenes. Any post on the board itself making reference to such things will be deleted.


Now either scrap the rule, or live with the double standard and obvious favouritism.
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RayAgostini wrote:
Darth J wrote: Dr.Shades and the moderators exist merely to do my bidding.


That's evident.


Well surely you'll agree that as the Himmler to Scratch's Hitler, it stands to reason that I would control the flow of information.
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Ray A wrote: It's like they live in this Gilligan's Island cocoon, sheltered from the rest of the real world in a sort of "Jack and the Beanstalk" fantasy. 1 million light years away from reality. If Darth is in fact active, then his "anti-Mormon" criticisms hold more credibility for me than a whole choir of apologists singing "Let us all press on."

Mormon apologist are just so stoopid, with an absolute minimal appeal to intelligence, that I rank them with a lower IQ than Mickey Mouse. (Okay, I may be exaggerating).

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Ray A wrote:A thread started by Pa Pa.

The post I found really interesting in this ass-kissing thread was by one kolipoki09, who quotes a letter sent to him by an Islamic scholar, and reads as follows:

Dr. Peterson's work...is of the highest scholarship, that i would use it in a class of mine. When recommending texts, I try to NOT think in terms of religion of the reader--for I am concerned with the scholarship of the author. Yet--if religion must play a role, I would probably suggest a different work--authored by a Muslim--if I am convinced that the entire class would be of Muslim students. And this would be for the simple reason that Muslims would probably be more comfortable accepting one of their own. It would have NOTHING to do with Dr. Peterson's work in any way being of inferior quality.
As for BYU's work; I highly recommend it, and have suggested to Muslims and others that the translation efforts are indeed commendable. It is possible that at some time in the future I may even seek to have a sabbatical semester at Brigham Young to work in some aspect of translation.


The questions I have, and I invite Dan to get involved here, are, does Dr. Khaleel Mohammed realise that Dr. Peterson believes the Book of Mormon to be superior to the Qur’an? Does he understand that, according to Mormon interpretation, that Muhammad “only received a portion of God’s light”? Has he read the derogatory statements about Muslims by Mormon General Authorities in the Journal of Discourses?

And there’s a classic “category mistake” here on the part of kolipoki09. The reason that Dr. Peterson can be so “objective” about Islam, is simply because he does not believe it!. DCP saves his apologetics for what he believes – Mormonism. So his “objectivity” towards Islam, to the untrained and uncritical eye, seems so benign. And actually, I do think his observations about Islam are noteworthy, but he will never apply this kind of objectivity to his own religion. To put it bluntly – he, DCP, believes that the Qur’an is only a “faith-promoting myth”. And I welcome his correction if I’m wrong. The Book of Mormon, in DCP’s eyes is, of course, “historical”. I wonder if Dr. Mohammad would agree?

The foreword to Dr. Peterson’s Muhammad: Prophet of God was written by none other than Dr. Khaleel Mohammed, so it’s no wonder that kolipok109 should receive such a flattering email.

In addition, I wonder how many editions of the FARMS Review Dr. Mohammad has read? DCP has so ingratiated himself into the Islamic community, and that’s not necessarily a bad thing. It’s just a bit paradoxical that this “seeker of peace and understanding and objectivity” has zero time for the infidels who criticise his faith.

But maybe he and Dr. Mohammed are of one mind on this, at least, that “knockers” and critics deserve no attention whatsoever. “Whatever promotes God”, I guess, even though the Muslim God bears absolutely no resemblance to the Mormon God. I must inform you, dear reader, that Muslims would consider the idea that God has human form, as “apostate heresy”, and unthinkable. Which raises more questions in my mind about Dr. Mohammad, than it answers. Is he ignorant? Or is he a Muslim “liberal” dealing with a Mormon literalist, and does not know it?

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