Slavery by another name

[_beastie]

And look! Some crazy leftist snuck into the files of the US Justice Department and planted some make-believe history in there.

http://library.rice.edu/collections/fol ... -1901-1945

Peonage Files of the U.S. Department of Justice, 1901-1945

Call Number:
(if located inside Fondren) Gov HD4875 .U5 P46
Resource Description:
Microfilm. One of the most striking features of the economy of the South in the early 20th century was the extent to which its farms, plantations, mines, and mills availed themselves of a system of forced labor known as "peonage." This system developed from the practice of holding laborers in debt and forcing them to remain on the premises of their creditors to work off the debt. Peon laborers were thus bound to their masters' firms or plantations, often by means of violence and intimidation. Because the overwhelming majority of peon laborers were black, the system served to entrench racial as well as class divisions throughout the South. In many respects, peonage served as a holdover of the antebellum slave labor system. Here are the complete peonage files of the U.S. Department of Justice from 1901 (when the Justice Department began a massive crackdown on peonage) through 1945. These files include incoming complaints to the department from local U.S. attorneys as well as from private individuals and such civil rights groups as the NAACP. They also detail the Justice Department's response to each complaint and include correspondence between the department and the local prosecutor, internal legal memoranda, depositions of witnesses, briefs, and trial transcripts. Also published in this new collection are the previously restricted Federal Bureau of Investigation case reports, which have never before been available to researchers.

Clearly the ravings of the lunatic left.

[_Kittens_and_Jesus]

The article then goes on to explain how the civil war and the outlawing of slavery decimated the economic system of the south, which was heavily dependent on cheap human labor. They now had to pay for labor which they received for free in the past (aside from the initial investment in purchasing the slave).

And there you have it.

The world needs ditch diggers and the Republicans want to make as many of them as possibly while masturbating over the illusion of upward mobility for themselves. Most of the other guys who made it are white people, why not me?

At the same time they decry the social safety net that keeps these ditch diggers alive, even when they find themselves in the same boat. Example: "Hands off my social security!".

Its the same reason we still rely on fossil fuel:

"It will destroy the economy if we try alternatives!"

"It will never work!"

They have no faith in the good of society, only faith in selfishness.

[_Kittens_and_Jesus]

For example, if you look at the "culture" of some asian communities (some of which have also faced intense discrimination, though obviously not the centuries worth endured by black americans), they seem to have avoided some of the worst of the effects of such discrimination and even prospered in spite of it. What changes need to be made in the "urban culture", and how can those changes be made?

The Asian communities here were able to hold onto their culture from generation to generation. Their families weren't ripped apart by slavery where families were split and sent to different masters never to be reunited. The early railroad workers built "Chinatowns" and banded together in their adversity.

On the other hand, black slaves lost their culture generation by generation. They were stuck on the plantations and forced to assimilate into Southern white Baptist culture. Their African cultures were constantly watered down and suppressed by slavery until they became what the "urban culture" of today.

The Asians kept their cultures (to a point), and the blacks found themselves with one ("urban culture") defined by a history rife with discrimination and a lack of a healthy personal identity.

Apples to oranges, my friend.

[_beastie]

Without the Republican Party, there would not have been a Civil Rights Act of 1964, period, end of story, end of discussion, end of history lesson.

Droopy pretty consistently follows the current talking points of the conservative right-wing media. This is how they hope to win minorities to their side. They pretend that history stopped in 1964. They pretend that the republican party didn't dramatically change since then.

What is truly ironic about this is droopy and his right-wing directors are taking credit for something the liberals and moderates in the republican party did.

It would be far more accurate, when discussing the civil rights movement, to state that conservatives opposed the movement while liberals and moderates supported it, no matter what party they belonged to.

[_subgenius]

yet the democrats successfully re-branded themselves from being the party of Jim Crow law writers...back then the Democratic party was the party of old white southerners who despised negroes....so exactly how can you argue that such a "re-branding" is unlikely when we have seen it successfully played out in the past half century? Heck, the democrats did not even re-brand, they simply bribed minorities and denied them any opportunity for self-reliance....the republicans will succeed at promoting self-reliance among minorites because it is an inevitable desire among free people.....see also Malcolm X and his opinion about the democratic party
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BYVv4LY_KQ

[_Droopy]

Of course, the actual answer to this is not ""neighborhood centers" or the laughable failure known as Headstart, but married, intact, two-parent families who stay together and raise, love, discipline, and socialize their children together.

But this would never, under any circumstances whatsoever, enter Beastie's head, nor any leftist like her.

Its occurred to me that worship of the state is very much like pornography, only in this case its a voyeuristic experience of one's own hubris projected upon institutions of power through which one lives out one's own fantasies of control and human engineering.

Hey, I'll one-up you. Not only is the answer intact two-parent families, but also two parent families that have good jobs!!

Voila! Problem solved.

And I'll raise you on that one, and point out that, if you want good jobs to return to our major urban areas - or any lucrative jobs at all outside the public sector (jobs as vote buying mechanism) - then you're going to have to support what can only be understood as a thorough purge of all or the vast majority of Democrats from the city/union/public school political machines that have managed and controlled those cities for decades:



http://frontpagemag.com/2013/arnold-ahl ... d-detroit/

http://frontpagemag.com/2013/john-peraz ... nneapolis/

http://frontpagemag.com/2013/john-peraz ... baltimore/

http://frontpagemag.com/2013/john-peraz ... s-chicago/

[_Droopy]

quote="cinepro"
The Asian communities here were able to hold onto their culture from generation to generation. Their families weren't ripped apart by slavery where families were split and sent to different masters never to be reunited.

This was true in the first couple of centuries of North American slavery, but not in its last century or so. Black families were for the most part intact, two-parent families in the 19th century, and remained so from the end of slavery up until the last third of the 20th century.

http://books.google.com/books?id=VBBIlz ... ms&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=JMxpBO ... ll&f=false

http://frontpagemag.com/2013/thomas-sow ... us-blacks/

http://blackchristiannews.com/news/2011 ... amily.html

On the other hand, black slaves lost their culture generation by generation. They were stuck on the plantations and forced to assimilate into Southern white Baptist culture. Their African cultures were constantly watered down and suppressed by slavery until they became what the "urban culture" of today.

What the loss of traditional "African culture" (whatever that is, given the wide variety of tribal groups thrown together throughout the Eastern seaboard and the South) two to four centuries ago has to do with contemporary cultural and political question, one can only wonder.

The Asians kept their cultures (to a point), and the blacks found themselves with one ("urban culture") defined by a history rife with discrimination and a lack of a healthy personal identity.

This theory of traditional African culture becoming Southern slave plantation culture becoming North American urban culture is pure nonsense, but no matter, it fits the template, doesn't it? The idea that the "watering down" of 18th and 19th century traditional African tribal culture, religion, and folkways generated Snoop Dog in the late 20th century is quite a knee-slapper, Kittens, but if one understands the Left well enough, one can save one's knees the surface damage and just roll one's eyes.

[_beastie]

What I really am enjoying about this spectacle is the sight of today's uber-conservative republican party that regularly purges MODERATES, much less liberals, out of its ranks in its primaries, hanging on the coattails of yesteryear's moderate and liberal republicans.

I wonder if that's an omen of things to come.

[_beastie]

And I'll raise you on that one, and point out that, if you want good jobs to return to our major urban areas - or any lucrative jobs at all outside the public sector (jobs as vote buying mechanism) - then you're going to have to support what can only be understood as a thorough purge of all or the vast majority of Democrats from the city/union/public school political machines that have managed and controlled those cities for decades:



http://frontpagemag.com/2013/arnold-ahl ... d-detroit/

http://frontpagemag.com/2013/john-peraz ... nneapolis/

http://frontpagemag.com/2013/john-peraz ... baltimore/

http://frontpagemag.com/2013/john-peraz ... s-chicago/

LOL! You object to NPR as a source, and offer frontpagemag instead. ROFLMAO

by the way, what happened to your rebuttal as to the accuracy of the facts cited in the article?

You know, the facts that the US judicial system also attests to?

[_ldsfaqs]

The answer is really simple....

The reason the PBS special is poppy-cock is because while most of the "facts" it describes from history are indeed true, it is only true for a very small number of blacks, and in a few areas and places.

It is not reflective AT ALL of the entire or significant portion of the black community, especially as exists across the country. It is cherry picked history painting an entirely false picture.

And FYI, we are not at all ignorant of these facts, we are and have been well aware of this "particular" aspect of history, we simply know more which debunks this "selective" emphasis as it relates to the issue in question.